Talk:Ferrari F12

Move?
According to the official website, the correct name of the car appears to be 'F12berlinetta' (lowercase b, no space), rather than 'F12 Berlinetta'. Does anyone else think this article should be moved to Ferrari F12berlinetta? CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No - the website address has no space, but the main text does have a space so is actually advertised as "F12 berlinetta". And the convention in Wikiledia is to use capitals for names which I see the Italian and French wikis have used the capital B for this article. In due course I could imagine it needing to be just "F12" as the 599 article is when the various derivatives are launched in time. Warren (talk) 12:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, the name is F12berlinetta, you can check the correct name on ferrari.com (article in italian, article in english), and it.wikipedia moved the page at Ferrari F12berlinetta --79.18.187.106 (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)


 * After revising WP:MOSTM, I'm now inclined slightly towards 'F12 Berlinetta', which seems so far to be the common parlance version. In all honesty, this isn't a critical issue, and because the car was only announced a day ago, it might be better to let the dust settle then see which version everyone prefers. CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's the same case of Volkswagen up!. Ferrari called his car F12berlinetta (lowercase b, no space, all attacked), so why we should do the opposite? The F12berlinetta is built by Ferrari, not by magazines :-) --79.13.187.137 (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I was swayed mainly by MOSTM's examples of Time (magazine) and Kiss (band) (which are officially 'TIME' and 'KISS'). Consensus seems to have settled on F12berlinetta by now though. CaptainVindaloo t c e 03:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK
The article looks good so far. Since it's still new enough to be eligible, how about we have a go at the Did You Know column on the main page? I've thought of a hook:
 * Did you know ... that at 730 horsepower, the 2012 Ferrari F12berlinetta is the most powerful road going Ferrari to date?

CaptainVindaloo t c e 03:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds good -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 05:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Done: Template:Did you know nominations/Ferrari F12berlinetta, Template talk:Did you know. CaptainVindaloo t c e 00:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

We've been accepted. Thanks Yoninah! CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Tyres or Tires
Surely if the this European car manufacturer spells it 'tyres' on their own English website then the article could use the non-USA spelling. It says 'tyres' in the actual text later on. Andrew ranfurly (talk) 02:00, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Tyres is acceptable per WP:ENGVAR. Bahooka (talk) 04:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It's done. —Cloverleaf II (talk) 10:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
See Merging for straw polling formatting.

Ferrari 812 Superfast should be merged into this page. To wit: while the Ferrari 575M Maranello has designation, the Ferrari 599 is  , and the F12 has  , the 812's designation is. Coupling the refresh type designation with other auto-journalism sources pre-release and at release-time confirming this as a refresh , the two articles should be merged, or if not, the 812 should be specifically designated as a refresh of the F12. The Ferrari F12 should be the parent article, with content from the Ferrari 812 Superfast article merged in. Eganist (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not, M-suffix indicates a new model, new model equals separate article. It is not a refresh it is a new model based on a modified preexisting chassis. YBSOne (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you have a citation for a suffix to a model code indicating a new model and not a refresh of the current model? Because considering the model numbers are identical save for the M suffix and considering the history of Ferrari using new model codes for new models, as well as considering the citations I provided, it seems the definition you gave for the M suffix is in dispute. Eganist (talk) 20:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Merge - My reasoning given above in the opening. This is my vote, for the sake of polling. Eganist (talk) 20:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - Just because two cars have similar, or even the same chassis code does not mean they ae the same car. Ferrari FF-GTC4Lusso; Ferrari 488-F8-SF90 Stradale (same wheelbase, most probably same chassis); Ferrari 550-575M; (Califronia-Portofino, different codes same wheelbase); Alfa Romeo 147-GT (same codes). Article writen in 2016, a year before the introduction of a new model was speculatory. YBSOne (talk) 22:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm, interesting. Would you want a special page for the F12 TDF then? Eganist (talk) 01:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * F12 tdf is a perfect example of a variant car. Built on the same chassis, engine, interior and exterior but with some modifications to them all. 812 has new chassis, new engine, new exterior and new interior and is therefore a new car and not a variant. YBSOne (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - The 812 Superfast is an entirely new model, the successor to the F12, despite sharing the same chassis. Just as the 488 and F8 Tributo are not the same as the 458 Italia. The 812 Superfast also has an entirely new engine that is NOT taken from the F12.  Hansen Sebastian Talk 15:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. As mentioned above, the 812 Superfast is clearly a different (new) model, and the speculation over the meaning of the internal model codes does not convince me otherwise. Regardless, I don't think basing this on model codes alone would be fair on the reader. Unlike the F12 TDF, which was clearly a variant, the 812 Superfast is marketed as being a new model, and current sources agree on the F12 being its obvious predecessor. Merging the articles would be unnecessarily inconsistent, and limit WP's ease of understanding. Regarding model codes - on a different, but related note, would be the articles BMW 3 Series and BMW M3. They have many similarities, so much so that before the F80 generation, the M3 shared model codes with the 3 series. Despite this, there are two articles because the M3 has a distinctly different identity, has always been marketed separately to the 3 series, and is therefore not considered as simple as the difference between that of a 320i and a 328i, for example. 72 (talk) 17:09, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. as for all the good reasons made above. Warren (talk) 16:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Completely different engine and marketed separately from the F12 also note that some different vehicles share model codes like we have 2 articles on the M3 and 3 Seeries and they use same model codes except for the newest ones but they are marketed seperatly unlike the 320 330 328 etc that are marketed together but have different engines and  the F12 TDF was just a  facelift and not a new model and should not have a new article 🌸 1.Ayana 🌸 (talk) 20:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Oppose as the F12 and 812 are different despite sharing platforms. The Audi A4 and A5's articles, for example, are separate for the same reason. I think 72 actually said it best. Kaio mh (talk) 04:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)