Talk:Fetch! with Ruff Ruffman/Archive 1

Season 2
Hi yall, I'm going to work on the episodes of season 2. If you can do it, please stick with the template someone in the past did. If you need more info on the episodes, check the main site. --Dudejerome 23:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Grandma Ruffman
Grandma Ruffman is voiced by Jim Conroy. Please refrain from reverting this edit (again). If you need verification, I suggest watching the credits for the shows in questions. If you would prefer to simply delete her entry, since it now lacks the intrigue of Estel, feel free. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzrt (talk • contribs)
 * Grandman Ruffman has again been reverted to saying that she is voice by Estelle Harris. This is simply incorrect.  Although it isn't the best evidence, check the official credits.

First Season Cast Members' Ages Found
I found most of their ages right here. Squirepants101 00:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * They got some things wrong. Anna is 14. Khalil is 11. It says so on the official Fetch website!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.195.133.53 (talk • contribs)

I didn't believe that article when I saw it. It's not the best evidence. 72.81.208.117 (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Suggest Ruff Ruffman be moved here
I suggest that we merge the article Ruff Ruffman into his section at FETCH! with Ruff Ruffman. It is almost all identical to the information in this artcle anyway Peb1991 22:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I second the motion, should redirect the article to here. Lyoko is Cool 04:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I set up the redirect. I am not familiar with the process for deleting articles like that, so the the original content is still on the Ruff Ruffman page. Can someone please show me the process for this. Peb1991 23:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Auditions on website
The next auditions have been posted on the Fetch website. Someone should get the information off there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.195.133.53 (talk) 13:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

Links to Contestants
I removed the links to the contestants names. Their pages are in the process of deletion anyway. Does any one think character descriptions should be added to this page, make a character page for all of them, or none at all? Peb1991 01:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Season 2 Episodes
Another thing, TV.com lists different episodes than the current page does. Which is correct?, and where does TV.com and us (Wikipedia) get these  descriptions from? (and which is reliable?) Peb1991 01:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, here are the ones from PBS KIDS http://pbskids.org/fetch/parentsteachers/program/episodes.html
 * I put in the ones from PBSKIDS (obviously the most accurate :) ) As far as my station has it listed, the season 2 episodes seem to go 4 new ones a week, with a rerun one Friday (like season 1).

Fair use rationale for Image:Fetch! with ruff ruffman.jpg
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Episode Articles for Deletion
FYI, a proposal to delete all FETCH! episode articles has been made here 204.73.48.52 21:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Season 3?
Is there proof of season 3 airing winter 2008? I haven't seen anything. PKGO 00:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC) I THINK IT IS AIRING THIS SEPTEMBER. HOWEVER, THE KIDS WILL NOT HAVE TIME TO WATCH IT BECAUSE THEY WILL BE BACK AT SCHOOL AT THE TIME. SO EITHER THEY AIR SEASON 3 OF FETCH WITH RUFF RUFFMAN TOMORROW, OR THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF VIEWERS. IT WILL BE CANCELLED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.186.195 (talk) 17:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC) I don't think it will be cancelled. FETCH! can still be profitable during reruns on weekends. 72.76.181.118 (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC) Rock On! Yeah but school starts on september 4th for me and my brothers eroll and adam. And i bet you will not be able to watch it because after school homework. Yep a lot of homework. So I guess you see my point now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.53.186.195 (talk) 21:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello? Lots of PBS stations air it on Fridays and Fridays ONLY, when kids don't have homework. And I bet you've never heard of DVR? People can record shows that they don't have time to watch. Plus, lots of PBS stations ALSO don't air episodes of Fetch until 5:00 or 5:30. Hopefully people will have enough time to finish homework after school before it starts. For me, it would give me about two hours. Whichever way it goes, I'm sure it will not be cancelled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.243.179 (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
Umm, someone needs to vet these episode descriptions (if they really are worth including). The text for many of the Season 2 episode descriptions such as "Ruff's Case of Blues in the Brain," "Roughing It With Ruff," and "You Lucky Dog" are almost an exact (transcribed, based on typos such as zongzi) copy of official synopses. --Belg4mit 04:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If nothing besides the season 2 episodes descriptions are copyvio, I'll copy the rest of the rest of the page to the temp page. 204.73.48.52 17:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I only checked 3 of them, but I suspect all of the descriptions for season 2 have been cribbed. --Belg4mit 01:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Since nobody seems to be looking into it/have made a decision, and others keep removing the copyvio stub (which causes wikimedia's auto-linking magic to become royally screwed up) I am going to clear the season 2 section. --Belg4mit 15:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC) This has nothing to do with plagerism it is not plagefrism those lines have been tweeked so they do not copy the original lines —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.83.139.65 (talk) 20:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia
Once the copyvio issues of Season 2 epsiode descriptions are addressed, this section needs some attention. Massive culling, and clearer writing. Several items are neither noteworthy enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia, nor neatly delineated. --Belg4mit 03:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Jim Conroy
Could someone PLEASE put up the article for Jim Conroy (the voice of Ruff Ruffman)? [User: Nate Speed]

Characters
well y'all hace to get pass me the vandalism guy 141.151.1.241 12:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Something in the characters section should be added about Ruff's Irish uncle or whatever from that episode with Dogtopia and Catlantis.

Article assessment
I have rated this article as start class because the relatively short length and lack of important sections like critical response, production etc. and as low importance because there is little to distinguish it from other articles about television series. In places the article reads more as advertisement than anything else - something needs to be done about the auditions section. The article really needs more sources to support the information that is there.

These categories are arbritrary and are subject to review by any editor who feels confident to do so. Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve good article or featured article status. I used criteria from the television wikiproject guidelines here, article about TV series guidelines here and the assessment guidelines here.--Opark 77 09:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup and organization
Hello all. I have made some clean up and organizational changes to the page to make it more user friendly, what do you think? Here is a summary of my changes:


 * Changed opening paragraph to be more a brief summary of the page as opposed to the original which basically laid out important facts of the show giving the casual viewer of the page no reason to look beyond the top.
 * Organized the episodes section into a Season One section and a Season Two section to make things eaiser to find. Within the sections I added a "results" subsection to make it eaiser for viewers who just want to see the results.
 * Added a more detailed synopsis of the show highligting the shows point as a game/reality show vs. emphasizing the animated portions of the storylines.
 * Added more detailed references

Please let me know what you think! Josborne2382 20:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I added an info box too! Josborne2382 21:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

References and Sources
Can someone please add references and/or sources for the followong:


 * Fetch! was originally called Hot Seat in 2004, as a parody of the the 1980s talkshow of the same name. "Hot Spot" became the new name during the auditions that took place in April, 2005 by Nancy Doyle Casting.
 * Studio G (Ruff's garage) was located in the Roxbury neighborhood of Boston. It is now located in Brighton.
 * Fetch! is made by many of the same producers of Zoom!
 * To try out for FETCH!, kids are required to be between the ages of 10 and 14 and be able to live in the greater Boston area over the summer, during school vacations, and several weekends throughout the school year. Moreover, FETCHers must be able to be filmed without missing school. More information regarding auditions during winter 2007-2008 in Boston will be posted on the FETCH! website.

There may be more but that's all I found right now. Thanks! Josborne2382 21:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

List of Episodes
With the amount of episodes produced now (40) and a possible 3rd season in the works, I think a list of episodes page should be created. This would greatly clean-up the article and shorten it. It would also bring it in line with other television show pages. A synopsis of each season (and it's animated storyline) could be written along with the results of the respective season on this page and then on the list of episodes page a longer synopsis of each episode could be written along with (possibly) the daily winner of tht episode. What does eveyone else think? Josborne2382 21:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandals!!!
I had to do a page revert just now because two IP users (74.64.124.160 & 70.245.176.67) really tore the page up. It was horrible. They deleted entire episodes, changed many dates (from 2006 to 1987?), changed various names to Barney or Barney and Friends, messed up the hard work I put into the new structure of the page (not to mention the hard work and time everyone else spent in creating all of the various episode descriptions and show results), and various other malicious edits. Please be on the look out for these two IP address:


 * 74.64.124.160 & 70.245.176.67

Thanks for everyone's hard work in creating this page...I tried to preserve all of your work. Thanks also to Jezzzzayyy for trying to fix all of the malicious edits. There were just way too many!

Thanks again! Josborne2382 02:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I noticed Julia's last name was gone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.91.32.181 (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Is Mike's last name really " O'Donnal"? I don't think Nina's last name is wadekar.

Unanimouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.101.14 (talk) 00:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Ages?
I was wondering what the ages of the Season 2 contestants were. If there were any ages other than Nina's, I failed to see them.--76.252.42.191 (talk) 21:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Willie just made 16 August 9.

Citaition Needed
For the thing about season 3 casting having already happened, that came from the MauraTighe casting website. Could someone edit it in? 68.162.163.108 (talk) 21:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC) Anna is the oldest. This yea she'll be 16.

Points chart
In the points chart, it is irrelevant to put the "Challenges" and "Quiz Shows" categories there because each contestant has the same number. 70.179.114.40 (talk) 22:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Season 3 FETCHers
Sam's last name is Blumenfeld & Sammy's is Rameriz. What are Jay, DJ, Harsha, & Noel's last names?

Last names of contestants?
Since there's a fair bit of edit warring over this could we maybe have a discussion about whether the last names of contestants should be included? That would be nice. JoshuaZ (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a question.
Will there be a season 4? Will Blossom return? Who will play as Ruff Ruffman? Will season 4 be presented in high-definition? 71.140.104.248 (talk) 23:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

season 4.
according to http://www.peterbowden.com/ season 4 will air fall 2009 but it could air in may 2009. peter Bown is someone who works on fetch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.241.98.214 (talk) 19:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I emailed Wgbh and they said Thank you for your interest in WGBH. We always appreciate hearing from our viewers, listeners, and Web site visitors. Our FETCH! season 4 premier will air as a sneak peek on September 11, 2009. The series will start officially on September 14, 2009. We hope you continue to enjoy the terrific children's programs produced by WGBH like Arthur, Postcards from Buster, Between the Lions, Peep and the Big Wide World, Fetch! with Ruff Ruffman, Design Squad, and Curious George. Find out about all these great shows online at pbskids.org! Please consider supporting the excellent children's programming produced by WGBH by calling us at 617-300-3300 (M-F, 9-5) - or at 800-492-1111 at other times - or pledging online at http://www.wgbh.org/pledge. Visit wgbh.org for information about WGBH programs and services and to sign up for our free weekly e-newsletter, @gbh, which includes reminders of upcoming programs on WGBH 2, 44, 89.7, information on your favorite PBS sites, answers to your questions, and the latest WGBH news. Sincerely, WGBH Member Development and Services so can some one add the date please.Suiteman (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As you have been told on your talk page, and on my talk page in response to the question that you asked about this very subject using a previous account of yours,, as well as in edit summaries reverting the edits you have made that add this date, the claim on its own is insufficient proof. You need a citation from a reliable source before this can be added. Simply asking over and over and over again for it to be added isn't going to get anyone to add it without the citation. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Removal of statement and accompanying reference
I've removed the following statement from the development section:


 * Zoom was having bad rating so they decied to try something new. Fetch is also a spin off of zoom. [...]

The two accompanying references are a YouTube video and this WGBH article. I've removed the YouTube video as a reference.

I removed the first statement because nothing in the WGBH article mentions Zoom, and, while the interviewer in the YouTube video mentions Zoom being canceled due to low ratings, Kate Taylor (apparently a WGBH representative) does not confirm nor deny the reason why Zoom was cancelled, nor does she state or imply that one series is a spin-off of the other. Furthermore, YouTube is generally not considered a reliable source.

I'm actually considering deleting the entire section. The information here is not particularly notable, and the section is so sparse that it could probably be merged up into the synopsis section. If no one objects, I'll be doing all of the above shortly. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 00:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Suiteman: Look, I don't want to get into an edit war over this Zoom thing. My reasoning for removing the "Zoom" reference you keep readding to this article is that Zoom is a completely separate show from this one. Though they share the same producers and studio, they are not inherently related; saying this show and Zoom are related are like saying Angel and Dollhouse are related. As the YouTube source you pointed out earlier said, the former Zoom cast member auditioned for the role like anyone else and did not get the part automatically. Therefore, I don't think noting Taylor was from Zoom is necessary here. 青い(Aoi) (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)