Talk:Fiat Panda

Successor
Panda has no successor, it's still in production. Cinquecento was a radically different car, compact and far less sturdier, with another target. 500e as well is not a successor, panda aimed at rural and ecomonical areas while 500e is a fashion city car. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.18.31.185 (talk) 15:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Automatic is 5 speed
I should know, I drive one. It is a dualogic roboticised semi auto/auto box with 5 forward speeds and 1 reverse.

Validity of the New Panda article
Please try not to pollute the original Panda article with 2003 onwards items as that is all in a different article. I've removed two incredibly confusing entries. (This unsigned comment was left by 86.214.7.110 on 23 April, 2006.)

You have got to be kidding... "Old Fiat Panda"?! "New Fiat Panda"?! Whose bright idea was it to separate them (and give them such unencyclopedic titles)? If Wikipedia can incorporate 10 body styles of Ford Mustangs spanning 40 years in a single article (and get it featured), or seven generations of Mitsubishi Minicas spanning 44 years, how do a pair of Pandas require their own pages?

Nothing to do with me ( 86.214.7.110 on 23 April, 2006.)'' ). Frankly I couldn't give a stuff whether the articles are seperate or not. However, whatever is set up should be adhered to, or altered entirely. At the time of the edit above, there was the "New" and "Fiat Panda" articles kept seperate and "New" items kept appearing in the "Original" article.

I'm going to discuss a merger of the two at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles. I hope to see you there if you'd like to contribute to the discussion. -- DeLarge 18:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I merged the two as your right there is no reason to keep the two articles seperate. Regards,  Signature brendel  04:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just got through cleaning up the article. What do you guys think? --ApolloBoy 06:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did some minor clean-up after merging as this article was in great need of a major revamp. The Article looks Much Better Now! Great work everyone! Regards,  Signature brendel  18:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Polish police buy blue & white Panda Actuals
If only the British police would do the same, then they'd be "Actual Pandas"! (A "panda car" being a British term for a local &mdash; non-high speed use &mdash; police car, which were once painted blue and white in many forces.) ;-) – Kieran T  ( talk  17:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ahhh, me too, it would be the culmination of a lifetime pondering, as I always thought this was a literal description when I was younger (hey, if they have a contingent of Fiesta Populars, why not Pandas?)... much disappointment when I found it wasn't :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.180.56 (talk) 00:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Panda Super windows
This is a super-trivial point, and the article isn't wrong in what it says just now, but it may be misleading by omission. And since there's the impetus for a cleanup just now...

Whilst I'm certain about the fact that the 1986 "Mark II" had full-size front side windows without quarterlights, which I've added to the article, and that the original 1980 Pandas didn't (as you can see in the photos in the article), I'm curious about the 1983 "Super" which came with a front-grille facelift but not the main mechanical changes under the skin. I'm pretty sure it didn't have the new windows. But I can't prove it from any of the brochures I've got. Anyone? – Kieran T  ( talk  17:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Can't help on that in any way other than to back up the point about the 1986 ones; my mother's old 1000CL was an '86 and had one-piece windows. Didn't have contact with a car that had cheap, quarterlight-based windows until buying a '91 Polo much later. And, for that matter, where's mention of this model in the lineup? Not all 998cc ones were Supers! (CL.. 4-speed box, a second external mirror, a stronger rear bench, a cheap radio... and that's your lot) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.180.56 (talk) 00:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The door redesign was definitely part of the '86 "Mark II" overhaul: My folks had a 1983 "A-Reg" Super from new, and it had the quarter light door windows, (and a strong tendancy to rust: poor thing fell apart within a few years). Later on my brother's "D-Reg" 1987 Super and my own much loved "G-Reg" 1990 CL both had the revised galvanised body shell (my CL's bodywork was completely rust-free except for the base of the door sills when I parted with it in 2001) and proper roll down windows. Have amended the article accordingly noting these structural changes as being part of the 1986 revision Splateagle (talk) 13:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

MPG in US gallons
The table at the bottom give the fuel performance in US gallons with imperial and l/100km in brackets, should it not be in l/100km first with mpg figures in brackets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.251.40 (talk) 02:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd agree with this. This is a car made by an Italian manufacturer and popular mainly in Europe, and therefore an article of international rather than US-specific interest. Both the top speed and fuel consumption data should be in metric first as per Wikipedia's style guide. The data is also not referenced. RedGreenInBlue (talk) 11:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Renault 4 & Citroen 2CV comparison
Recently this has been repeatedly edited with no comment to change one or other of these comparisons (usually the less well known Renault) to VW Beetle - since justifying the revert in comment isn't stopping the edits I thought it'd be worth starting a discussion here on the comparisons.

The comparisons chosen reflect the Panda's "utility car" role which both the Citroen and Renault shared, being designed with versatility in mind for more varied uses than simply carrying four passengers - unlike the VW Beetle.

I'm looking for a source on this from the original Panda's launch but in the meantime (barring a well argued/sourced rationale for the change of course) please could whoever it is stop switching in the Beetle every few days? Thanks.Splateagle (talk) 11:00, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

6.5 million, not 10.5
From Fiat Press " Panda è tutto questo e qualcosa di più: un brand ricco di valenze razionali ed emotive, che ha saputo conquistare oltre 6,5 milioni di automobilisti  " ! http://www.fiatpress.com/press/detail/11327

Width?
Measurements given obviously do not include mirrors. As of 2015 the vehicle measures 1,882 mm (74.1 in). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.4.62.79 (talk) 15:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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4x4 on version 141A
Until 20 years ago I'd owned (for a couple of years) an old 1987 4x4 with the 999cc FIRE engine, so presumably a 1st revision of the

"first small, transverse-engined production car to have a 4WD system." Article continues:-

"The system itself was manually selectable, with an ultra-low first gear. Under normal (on-road) conditions starting was from second, with the fifth gear having the same ratio as fourth in the normal Panda." "Austrian company Steyr-Puch supplied the entire drivetrain (clutch, gearbox, power take-off, three-piece propshaft, rear live axle including differential and brakes)"

"January 1986, the Panda received a substantial overhaul and a series of significant mechanical improvements."

I came here because I can't quite remember everything, but my car (purchased from a local farmer who'd had loads of them) had permanent diff lock whenever 4wd was selected - so presumably didn't actually need a 'differential' as such on the rear axle?

It went very well up very steep ploughed fields etc, the single gear it was in while 4wd was selected must've been quite low (compared with the original Freelander where 1st gear isn't very low really) but in normal road driving mode it seemed to have a normal five speed gearbox as far as I remember?

It was of course necessarily a primitive system but extremely effective - if you were in an actual truly off road situation where no ordinary road car was going to be of any use then the single 4wd mode offered gave you just what was needed, so I remember it fondly & would love to see it well documented before it's forgotten about... 86.148.15.134 (talk) 08:58, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Infobox image current generation
I changed the infobox-image of the third Panda generation, since I think in my suggested picture the vehicle is in a better angle, the background is better and the contrast between vehicle and background is higher. Also there are no dices on the rear-view mirror and there is no sticker in the windshield. My edit was reverted, since the reverter finds it too reflective. Which image is prefered by the others? Cheers--Alexander-93 (talk) 20:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * That white photo has been a long-standing image and if people were complaining about it should of been removed ages ago, it didn't need to be changed. It not the fact whether the picture isn't good or not, the fact is you are trying to replace photos because they were taken by me. Why is it now you seem to be siding with Charles01, looks to me you are favouring his photos and planning to replace any long-standing photos only because they were taken by me, this is completely unacceptable. --Vauxford (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the first time I think, I'm using a photo of Charles. It was uploaded a week ago, so there was no possibility to change this image with yours in the recent months/years. If I replace an image, I do this because I think the new one is better. And if other users think different, we can discuss. That's what I'm doing. And now we should stick to the topic!--Alexander-93 (talk) 21:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The red car photo is at a very nice angle, I think it's is an improvement. And "long-standing image" is not something that should matter, I think this is an quite obvious improvement, and your seeing it as the work of conspiratorial forces trying to take you down is not a good thing for collaborative editing, when you start seeing others improving on your work and think that it must be some plot, rather than being happy that Wikipedia has been improved, nothing good comes of that. Toasted Meter (talk) 21:59, 18 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Fine... It was a old photo after all and I wasn't as considerate what stuff a car would have inside and out. It just too much of a coincident after the other one he did on the Audi Q3 so I thought he might of been influenced by what Charles01 been saying about me and started using his image over any others, can you see that can be easily misinterpreted? I'm just fed up and drained of this cycle, someone making a talkpage discussion and getting waves of personal remarks by Charles01 rather then the actual photo. Undo the revert I done, but I'm still oppose to how the Audi Q3 discussion resulted in. --Vauxford (talk) 22:07, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

POV
Under the 2nd generation Panda section, the following quote raises some questions:

"Traditionally, Fiat have ranked at the lower end of this table, showing that the Nuova Panda is reversing the trend and suggesting a rise in quality standards for Fiat"

Unless this gets sourced by some non-biased articles, indicating that the 2nd gen Panda does indeed have historical significance in a sort of "turning point" for Fiat perceived quality among the public, then I can only interpret that as a blatant attempt at promoting the brand. In which case, it should be removed. Interested in reading what others have to say before jumping the gun and go straight for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raven-14 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

New infobox image


I want to proposed a change of image on the Fiat Panda article because there a duplicate image on both the infobox and the third generation section. I could make the edit myself but the recent revert by Charles01 over a mistake edit I did added some tension. So to play it safe and put to bed the false assumption that I'm up to something, I want to discuss it with other users. --Vauxford (talk) 20:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, Without sounding disrespectful the whole image discussion thing has become tedious and repetitive so I've gone ahead and replaced one of the images anyway. To be fair you were only reverted because you replaced one duplicate image with another - You weren't reverted because Charles didn't like the image so this discussion was probably unneeded but fair play to you for playing safe. Just sometimes lengthy discussions really arent needed. – Davey 2010 Talk 22:12, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I knew it was a little overkill, I really wasn't up to get into another messy situation. --Vauxford (talk) 23:15, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey Vauxford, No worries mate, Don't blame you. It's always best to be safe than sorry. I've created a fare few "unneeded" discussions/RFCs to avoid silly situations so we all do it and it's certainly the best option!, Anyway thank you for coming here. Take care, – Davey 2010 Talk 23:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

no mention of the motorsport racing pedigree for the panda step it up wiki vols
wanted to know what the most successful accolades the 80s rally teams were awarded. Some on here will know it to this level of depth.

Thank you all very much 86.6.236.167 (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Grande Panda
Why the "Grande Panda" redirect here? Is a totally new model from third little FCA Panda with different name, chassis, mechanical (PSA origin) and engine, it is more like as segment B car and a Crossover SUV. I will split the article. 91.80.22.67 (talk) 17:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)