Talk:Filettino

Secession
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8722555/Italian-village-trying-to-become-a-principality-to-protest-at-cuts.html It speaks for itself. 216.105.64.144 (talk) 17:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 13:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous
I do hope this ridiculous business about the principality will be swiftly removed from here. Are we still an encyclopaedia or are we going to mention every little tidbit of information that exists, no matter how far-fetched or ridiculous it may be? --Kalsermar (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is about verifiability, if there is a reference that this entity is a principality then this info could be present, ridiculous or not to some of us. Adrian (talk) 17:45, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's just it.... there is no reference that this is a principality. The village mayor as I understand it has "declared" independence. Unless there is a legal framework wherein he has the authority to do so this is nothing more than a publicity stunt or political posturing by the mayor and/or this village. An opening sentence as in this article ("Filettino is a village and an unrecognised principality") and the presence of the "Infobox unrecognized state" give this much more weight than it should have and does a great disservice to our readers who might think that this is akin to Kosovo or Somaliland or some such thing.--Kalsermar (talk) 14:57, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree but if you look at Kosovo or Somaliland that entities also did`t had the legal framework to declare independence either. There is only a handful of countries that had this legal option. It doesn`t look good as you stated because after all there is a big difference between Filettino and Kosovo(and others) but there should be some info about this "independence" since it is well documented. Adrian (talk) 07:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Whether a claim to independence is "ridiculous" is not a valid criterium for exclusion from Wikipedia. Wikipedia has articles on e.g. the Principality of Seborga, the Principality of Hutt River and even on humorous micronations such as Republic of Molossia. Whether or not the mayor of Filettino actually has the authority to declare his town an independent country is totally irrelevant for the question whether we should write about the independence claim on Wikipedia. Wikipedia writes about facts and it is a fact that Filettino has claimed itself to be an independent principality, regardless of the seriousness of this claim and of the legal authority to declare independence. - TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 23:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Except for, they are "exploring" and "meeting with lawayers" to think about a declaration of independence. So thus far, no, not independent. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 23:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Media reports suggest that it is more than 'planning' or 'thinking of' independence: BBC News: "A small town in central Italy has declared its independence", Metro News: "The small Italian town of Filettino has declared itself independent". - TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, as long as there are contradicting sources, a definite statement or label doesn't belong in the lede... let's wait for some "official declaration" by the mayor... I'm sure it'll come up soon... no need to rush. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 13:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately there seems to be much confusion here regarding the facts. Micronations such as Sealand or Hutt River have a much longer history and are not otherwise known except as micronations. This inhabited town is totally different as there is an inhabited place with national authorities in place (Italy in this case) that is primarily known as an Italian town. Having an opening sentence that reads "Filettino is an Italian town and unrecognized principality" does our readers a great disservice as it implies something that is not factual.

If I were to state that I am committing a coup against Calgary City Hall and declare myself to be dictator of Calgary and it makes the press in some way, does that justify changing the opening sentence on Calgary to "Calgary is a city in Alberta, Canada and an unrecognized republic"? No, of course not!

We should only write about this "independence" when it is officially corroborated and established and not just because a self-idolizing mayor thinks of a way to both protest his government's policies and bring in much needed tourism euros. Sealand and Hutt river are obvious "jokes" and treated as micronations as such without anyone pretending that it is otherwise while places like Kosovo and Somaliland have an authority in place that exercises some level of sovereignty over the areas they claim. Here, none of that is at play. When the Italian authorities get expelled from the town and Filettino starts receiving its first foreign diplomats we can start talking of an unrecognized nation. For now, it is nothing more than an Italian town and the matter should be referred to in the text as a minor mention in the "history" section or some such thing.--Kalsermar (talk) 16:21, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The "indipendence declaration" is a protest initiative: Filettino isn't really independent, don't emit currency and don't have a "national bank". ART — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.0.148.177 (talk) 23:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)