Talk:Film censorship in the Republic of Ireland

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In A U.S. Spy in Ireland (see Amazon's Look Inside with login) Martin S. Quigley mentions that in mid 1943 Crash Dive (p171) had received a certificate but had not opened. This was around the same time that A Yank in the RAF had its certificate withdrawn. The RKO This is America series 20-minute short Army Chaplain (p178, 182–3) had played for six weeksat several Dublin cinemas to about 70,000 before it was stopped. He refers to Russian Salad (p186) and Mission to Moscow (p154) which he suggested would be rejected, in his reports of 1943. He also mentions The Eternal Gift (p22, 199). Does anyone have more info on these rejections and should we include rejected shorts? ww2censor (talk) 00:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Top ten movies banned in Ireland (VIDEOS) May 11, 2017

 * IrishCentral
 * https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/top-ten-movies-banned-in-ireland-124842519-237396851
 * Monkey Business (Norman Z. McLeod, 1931)
 * The Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin, 1940)
 * Ulysses (Joseph Strick, 1967)
 * Rocky Road to Dublin (Peter Lennon, 1968)
 * Clockwork Orange (Stanley Kubrick, 1971)
 * Monty Python's Life of Brian (Terry Jones, 1979)
 * Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (Terry Jones / Terry Gilliam, 1983)
 * Meet the Feebles (Peter Jackson, 1989)
 * Natural Born Killers (Oliver Stone, 1994)
 * From Dusk Till Dawn (Robert Rodriguez, 1996)Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Ten films that Ireland banned under the 1923 Censorship Act

 * BY: Mal Rogers
 * September 30, 2015
 * https://www.irishpost.com/entertainment/ten-films-that-ireland-banned-68701
 * Monkey Business (Norman Z. McLeod, 1931)
 * Freaks (Tod Browning, 1932)
 * The Great Dictator (Charles Chaplin, 1940)
 * A Day in Soviet Russia (1942)
 * Brief Encounter (Noel Coward, David Lean 1945)
 * Ulysses (Joseph Strick, 1967)
 * Monty Python's Life of Brian (Terry Jones, 1979)
 * Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (Terry Jones / Terry Gilliam, 1983)
 * A Clockwork Orange (Stanley Kubrick, 1971)
 * Natural Born Killers (Oliver Stone, 1994)Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

10-controversial-films-that-were-banned-in-ireland

 * https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/banned-10-controversial-films-that-were-banned-in-ireland-26774106.html
 * Baise Moi (2000)
 * From Dusk Till Dawn (1996)
 * Natural Born Killers (1994)
 * The Evil Dead (1983)
 * Cannibal Holocaust (1980)
 * Life of Brian (1979)
 * I Spit on Your Grave (1978)
 * The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)
 * A Clockwork Orange (1971)
 * Freaks (1932)Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

classic-films-that-were-banned-in-Ireland

 * http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Seven-classic-films-that-were-banned-in-Ireland/338461.htm
 * A YANK IN THE R.A.F.
 * FANTASIA Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

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 * Irish Film Censors' Records - Trinity College Dublin
 * Films banned in Ireland - boards.ie


 * https://www.thejournal.ie/censored-the-274-books-and-magazines-still-banned-in-ireland-today-455034-May2012/
 * https://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/index.php/articles/ireland-a-nation-film-banned
 * https://www.thejournal.ie/banned-film-festival-1292788-Feb2014/
 * http://www.fourcourtspress.ie/books/archives/irish-film-censorship/
 * https://is.muni.cz/el/1421/podzim2011/FAVK054/um/27468142/censoring_american_film_in_ireland.pdf
 * http://www.ifco.ie/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/lookupreports2/AA073005F7A0F95780256F020055DD28/$File/a+history.pdf
 * http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/WP15000099
 * Irish Film Classification Office Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 20:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

15 video guidelines
The 15 video certificate have different guidelines than his cinema counterpart(15A) for example while 15A doesn't allow any scene of sadism the 15 video rating says that the strongest images of sadism and torture are not allowed also while frequent and or aggressive strong language should be justified by the context in 15A in 15 video certificate it simply says that strong language is allowed,and more differences Dave wolf544 (talk) 16:29, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria and OR in the various "disparities" sections
Someone has gone to the trouble of creating a list of (every?) difference between a film's IFCO (Irish) rating and BBFC (British) rating. While this is laudable, I am struggling to understand how this sits with the project's OR and list inclusion criteria.

In terms of OR, I don't see (other than some Imgur post) where any reliable non-Wikipedia source has compared the Irish and the British classification systems. So I am struggling to understand why we are. If the content and concept is ONLY covered in Wikipedia, and nowhere else, then that is OR. And indiscriminate OR at that (why compare only to the British rating system? Or the application of that system? Why not the US? Or Australia? Or anywhere else for that matter?)

In terms of LISTCRIT, I don't see what the scope of the list is intended to be? Is it EVERY SINGLE variance in the ratings applied by the IFCO to those applied by the BBFC? Or just "major differences"? (Like where the BBFC rated something as U or PG, and the IFCO thought it was the devil incarnate and rated it 18s?) If the list is intended to be EVERYTHING, then how does that sit with WP:NOTEVERYTHING? There has to be some bounds for inclusion. Otherwise the list will be near infinite and/or always out of date.

Frankly, unless someone can advise what this embedded list is "for", and how its inclusion aligns with the relevant policies, I'm inclined to cut it back to a few examples. To support the "sometimes there are differences" text. And leave it at that. Guliolopez (talk) 15:09, 21 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Bump. Unless there are other other thoughts (as to why we need an exhaustive and seemingly indiscriminate list of "examples of differences between the Irish and UK systems) then I will go ahead as proposed above. Namely to cut it back to just a few examples. Otherwise, if this article is the only place on the planet that lists these examples (and does so in a way which relies on OR, synth and arbitrary inclusion criteria), then someone would ideally explain how that aligns with the relevant project policies. Guliolopez (talk) 14:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Not having heard anything from anyone, and seeing only growing examples of "IMGUR image URLs as sources", I have gone ahead as above. And pared this section back to a few notable examples. Where there are actually references to support those examples. An exhaustive list of "every different between Irish and UK systems" is otherwise out of project scope. Relying as it does almost entirely on no inclusion criteria as well as OR, SYNTH and/or very poor "references". Guliolopez (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2020 (UTC)