Talk:Final Destination (film)/Archive 1

Death section
I added more to the death section and edited it to look more like the death sections in the other FD movies. Jay 01:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Why is someone costantly taking down the death sections for the Final Destination pages? I work hard on those. Jay 13:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it.  68.254.180.104 16:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I at least would like know WHY it is taken down. Jay 01:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Just trying to read this article gives me a headache.

Location
Does anyone know where this movie takes place? I think it's in Long Island, NY.Thefreakshow 19:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is New York. crypto137 6:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Recovers from death? Names
I was reading this article and came upon the phrase "Alex intervenes and dies by electric shock, but soon recovers." Huh? I don't remember the film enough to correct that, so someone please... Does he die, or is he injured and recovers?

Also, wouldn't there be a better way of linking the character names to the famous film personalities? Like a section saying "several character names in this movie are a homage to famous past film personalities" and then naming then one by one. Right now they're just linked by their last name, not providing any explanation or anything, it's confusing IMO.

Finally, as someone stated earlier, this article needs a clean up, especially in the grammar department. I may be doing some of that myself if I find the time. Cheers!

ironcito 03:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Good question: Does Alex die? ... I think he did. The ending is getting pretty climactic, it looks like Clear is going to die in the car from either electrocution, this random wire flailing around, or an exploding propane tank. The FBI show up just in time to see Alex grab the wire long enough for Clear to get out of the garage before (I think it explodes...), and Alex is thrown out by the electrocution.


 * Anyway, it does appear Alex is dead, fade into white, but then it turns out he's all right and in Paris with Clear and that other guy. ... I think it does some explaining there, but I don't remember so much, and can't find the script from the movie. (To sum-up, Alex is nearly killed by a bus, and then Clear is almost killed by something else, but then other guy is killed by a sign that's swung down off a theatre.)


 * In a different version of the script Alex does die, and the movie ends with Clear giving birth to Alex' love-child. (Like that fake-plot they had in Final Destination 2; only new life can stop the cycle.) search for 'INT. DELIVERY ROOM - DAY - CLEAR' to read this ending.

Imported Trivia
Above is trivia imported from the article, since no attempt to integrate it has been made. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 180 is the police code for murder in New York.
 * Devon Sawa had a contractual dispute with New Line but he appear Cameo in FD2.
 * Although the film is set in New York, the freight train that smashes Carter's car is a BC Rail train. BC Rail only runs in Canada.
 * Based on an unused X-Files script. The film was directed by James Wong, who worked on The X-Files.
 * Many of the characters have names that derive from actors and directors of classic horror films, including Alfred Hitchcock, Max Schreck, and others. Clear was named after an assistant. Additionally, Clear's name was originally "Kimberly" in the early draft, this name is given to the protagonist in Final Destination 2.
 * In the bus scene, right when Carter and Terry arrive in Carter's car, the track "Into the Void" by Nine Inch Nails is playing on the radio and the words "final destination" can be heard in the lyrics.
 * The song "Rocky Mountain High" by John Denver is played throughout the movie, always before someone dies (fittingly, Denver himself was killed in a plane crash in 1997). This concept was used again for Final Destination 3 when the song "Turn Around, Look At Me" was played before many of the deaths.
 * The crash of Flight 180 has a great many similarities with another plane crash, Trans World Airlines Flight 800. Both planes were 747s, both were flying from JFK to Charles de Gaulle, and both exploded right after take-off due to electrical equipment short circuiting.  Among the passengers of Flight 800 were a group of students from Montoursville, Pennsylvania going on a class trip to France, just like Alex and his classmates in the film.
 * The scene in Paris is actually Bastion Square, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
 * On an episode of Robot Chicken, Final Destination was parodied using the cast from Archie Comics.
 * MaximOnline.com named the airplane crash in Final Destination #7 on its list of "Most Horrific Movie Plane Crashes."
 * At the end of the opening scene an image of Jim Morrison is shown in a book. It shows his grave and graffited on the grave it says "This is the End." This phrase was a part of his song "The End" which he sung in. It also is metaphoric for the mistreatment of Jim Morrison's grave, but also that Jim Morrison died young.
 * The teens travel along either the Meadowbrook or Wantagh Parkway when they enter Jones Beach. They see a sign just before the beach entrance that says "New York: 93 miles", when Jones Beach actually less than 15 miles from New York City limits and approximately 25-30 miles from Manhattan.
 * Jones Beach State Park is in reality a 6.5 mile long, wide, flat and treeless beach. In the movie the beach is portrayed completely different.

Also I don't know if this was ever pointed out elsewhere, but the name Tod is also the German word for death, so during his foreshadowing with the shredded newspaper it was not only showing his name but announcing death as well... thought I'd mention it in case trivia ever gets integrated somewhere. Enigmatic2k3 (talk) 04:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Sequel spoilers
I would suggest that Alex and Clear's deaths not be referred to in the article for the _original_ movie, because that spoils the second movie. True, there's a "spoiler" warning, but presumably most readers will assume the warning pertains only to plot and/or ending details from the first movie. Fillard 04:55, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I changed it. Jay 00:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems to still be there, so I added this...  Cbrown1023 02:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, so I reworded them to make more sense and not spoil the next film. Occurtook00 (talk) 03:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Did this movie ever go by "FD" ?
I've removed Final Destination from the disambiguation page of FD. Feel free to reinsert if the movie goes by FD. Guroadrunner 12:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It didn't go by "four stock", "no items", or "Fox only" either :-) --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Film is obviously not "based on true events in the 1990s" despite vandalism by IP 68.100.230.254 claiming so several times.
 * Be bold and remove it.  Rgood erm  ote    01:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

What?
I wish people wouldn't stuff in parts that are like "this wouldn't happen becuase logically...". This is a movie, and Death couldn't care less about logic and science.220.237.16.234 00:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh? Why would knocking over bottles of shampoos and conditioner makes it imposible to stand up? And I've seen the movie there aren't any various bottles of shampoo and conditioner, there are only two. I guess one was shampoo and one was the conditioner. Who over wrote Tod's death section does not make his observation very well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibara (talk • contribs) 10:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Plot summary and Death's list section are far too large
It's generally recommended by WP: Plot summaries to keep such sections to within 300-500 words. The combination of the plot "summary" and "death's list" go well past this limit. I'm going to work on editing both of these sections into a concise summary of the film. -- TRTX T / C 13:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

That's fair enough, but I think you should think of a way to include the "clues" for each death, as it's an important aspect of the film MJN SEIFER (talk) 21:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Its gone to far the rother way now. Now thers no plot synopsis at all. This is more important that the list of deaths (which are a pile of crap ' The window falls right on the character that razed the pidgeons, squishing him like a bug. Another tribute to Alfred Hitchcock perhaps?' could be incorporated into the synopis anyway) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.183.80.133 (talk) 16:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey where is the plot synopsis? That is one of the most important part of this article. I wish it would be brought back very quick. It has been weeks since I see it disapeared. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibara (talk • contribs) 10:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

syn⋅op⋅sis /sɪˈnɒpsɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [si-nop-sis] 1. 	a brief or condensed statement giving a general view of some subject. 2. 	a compendium of heads or short paragraphs giving a view of the whole. 3. 	a brief summary of the plot of a novel, motion picture, play, etc.

Brief. Summary. General. NOT a complete run down of every thing that happens in the film. If you want to know every detail about the clue about how they die, the method of death you could...yknow...GO WATCH THE FILM. Whoever re-wrote this and the FD2 and FD3 articles did a fine job - this is what all film entries should be like, not a plethora of geek-tastic trivia and half the screenplay 77.96.48.193 (talk) 15:08, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Even though one of the big reasons to come to wikipedia in the first place is to find very specific information on something, even films. There is no reason to exclude this information. Just put a spoiler tag on the articles and if people don't want to spoil the movie for themselves then they don't need to read those sections. Besides, no one is going to come to the FD WP page to read a brief synopsis. Anyone interested in this film, coming to this page to look up info on it, most likely already knows about the premise anyway. And yes, they should have a plethora of trivia and half the screenplay. That's what WP is for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freeden (talk • contribs)


 * Sorry to burst your bubble, but no, it is not. You may also want to read up on the rest of what Wikipedia is not, trivia inclusion, and notability for inclusion. "A plethora of trivia and half the screenplay" belongs on fan sites and outside wikis, not Wikipedia itself. --132 04:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Plot
I've reverted the plot back to a previous, much shorter version. Yes, the shorter version can, and should, be expanded. However, it still needs to remain somewhere between 300 and 500 words, especially given how straight-forward the plot is. The expanded version had a whopping 1,600+ words. It was extremely inappropriate for an encyclopedia entry. It was also very sloppily written with many typos, grammar errors, and incorrect information.

This article is not a fan page to gush about every detail of the film. If you want to do that, please go visit one of the myriads of fan sites and forums. This is an encyclopedia article. The plot section should be extremely short and concise, again between 300-500 words, giving the bare facts of what happened to give a general understanding of the plot of the movie, not an extremely detailed, play-by-play, blow-by-blow reiteration that is so long, you pretty much don't even need to watch the movie to know exactly what happened. The plot should be the shortest section in the article and it certainly shouldn't take up half the article. The longest sections should focus on production, marketing, and reception of the film, not the plot. --132 16:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing the revert. It's tough to keep an eye on these kinds of articles whose films appeal to young adult audiences. — Erik  (talk • contrib) 17:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Hitchcock movies
i heard all the main chracters names are all from Alfred Hitchcock movies. is that true/74.196.82.12 (talk) 04:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Not allonly Billy Hitchcock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.123.124 (talk) 08:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot summary
I see no reason why the plot summary was so reduced. This isn't some porno with five minutes of backstory and then just random yet cool-looking deaths for two hours, it has a story. I'm gonna write a more detailed synopsis to replace a single paragraph of outline, which seems to have been the norm on this page for a long time. VolatileChemical 04:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Thank you. I noticed this myself. The plot summary bassicaly is just a blurb of the beggining of the movie. FaithAquamarine16 00:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, the fact that the concept for Final Destination may have come from the 1983 movie Sole Survivor, this fact keeps getting removed from the summary.


 * It needs a reliable source that can verify the information, otherwise it's considered original research and can't be included. Honestly, I think the Twilight Zone references should also be removed for the same reason. --132 16:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe just give them both See also links instead of arguing they might have inspired it. DreamGuy (talk) 16:39, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because that shows a parallel between the two topics, which there may or may not be. --132 19:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Adrian Bolynski
It says Alex is supposed to be based on this character. I googled this supposed 'inspiration' and only 1 search result came up: this Wikipedia page. Whoever put this note in, where is your evidence? If this is true, we need references, because there's no mention of him AT ALL on Google. And yes, I did spell his name right when I typed it in. -- Scythre Talk Contribs 06:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Fans of the movies add their personal tidbits and theories to the pages all the time. When it comes to the Final Destination articles, it's best to just just remove it because, even if you ask for a source, chances are it'll never come. I've removed the note as original research. --132 15:26, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

'Rewrite' tag
Does anyone actually want anything in particular on this page re-written? I am happy to do all the work myself if you let me know what you think is lacking. If no-one replies I will remove the tag as I believe the article is satisfactory. Freikorp (talk) 02:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I did not add it, but I do not believe the article to be satisfactory. There is way too much detail in the characters section and way too many fan-ish trivia. It would be far better if it resembled The Final Destination, where the plot is short, but extended, and the characters are just listed as a cast list. Further, there is zero information on casting, filming, marketing, or production, all of which are rather important in an encyclopedia article about a film. This wouldn't necessarily be covered in a re-write, but the fact that it's not there and excessive plot detail is is a problem. --132 03:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up the character section. I have also done my best to re-write the plot based on what I recall, apologies if I have made any errors. Freikorp (talk) 09:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Based on actual events
Citations showing this movie is based on actual events should be supplied or that tag should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.15.99.234 (talk) 11:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

January 2010
I've reverted the page to an earlier version, unfortunately I did not notice this horrendous change, I have only just noticed it. Freikorp (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Article reads like crap
This article reads like crap and the English is pretty horrible. Examples: "Alex intervened her" "So Alex got skiped this time" "Carter was smooshed by the sign."

The tenses bounce around, grammar is violated, and I've got no idea what a quarter of the sentences are supposed to say. The wording needs to be redone in a more professional manner.

The writing is indeed awful.

For example, The film was based on a spec script for The X-Files written by Reddick after gaining attention of TWA Flight 800. After his co-writers admonished his screenplay...

I can't even begin to fix this as I don't have any idea what this editor was trying to convey.

How do you gain the attention of an air flight?

What cowriters admonished whom?

Ridiculous. Bustter (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Problems with the critic quotes
The third paragraph of the "Critical Reception" section contains, quite literally the exact same quote attributed to two different people. The first of which is Roger Ebert of Chicago Sun-Times the second of which is Lisa Schwarzbaum of Entertainment Weekly. Both quotes have citations, the one following the quote as attributed to Roger Ebert leads to the review in question and does contain the quote. The one following the quote as attributed to Lisa Schwarzbaum, however, is a broken link, leading me to believe that that was likely a misquote. I suggest the quote as attributed to Lisa Schwarzbaum be removed along with the accompanying citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.34.44 (talk) 03:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Updated the EW link for Schwarzbaum's review and changed her quote to reflect what she actually said. I was going to delete per your suggestion but I thought her comment about situational puns worked well to highlight something positive critics said about the film.


 * In the process I noticed something she pointed out about the character surnames: "Every character surname pays homage — among them Browning, Hitchcock, Murnau, Dreyer, and Chaney." I thought I'd point it out in case it's something we can work into development or another section. I don't know if any of the sources we use go into more detail about about writing the script than what we have in the article currently.  But just in case the homage idea is corroborated and useful, there it is.  Millahnna (talk) 04:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No need to add the surname information. All character infos and details (including your idea above) are located in List of characters in the Final Destination series.  FD Joshua  22  07:41, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah. Thanks for pointing that out, Josh.  I'd thought it might work for a writing section on this article but I suppose that works just as well.  I never did get around to poking around to see if there was more info on writing this film to expand around the idea (or if it was too trivial to bother with).  Millahnna (talk) 08:05, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

The explosion of Flight 180
It was on May 13th, 1999 not in 2000. this is confirmed with the original movie. May 13th, 2000 is a goof from Final Destination 5.
 * IMDB is not a reliable source per WP:IMDB. Aranea Mortem (talk to me) 16:31, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand, but the date is confirmed by the original movie. You can watch the movie and it appears like I said.

i keep having to change the dates on the final destination pages. the first one was september 25 1999, final destination 2 was september 25 2000 and the third one is set in 2005. if anyone watches the first and third movies, you will know this is true. --Lightningalex1 (talk) 12:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

In part 2, there's a date on the computer that said it's the year 2001, which makes part 1 set in 2000, final Destination 3 is the one with the error, not 2 or 5. also i may add that in part 1 on Alex boarding pass it said it's 2000 on it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.189.208 (talk) 22:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC) i didnt say Final Destination 2 had a error, but in the first movie the lady serving Alex says 'September 25'. In Final Destination 5 Sam's boarding pass says May 13th which is an error. So according to Final Destination 1 and 2, Flight 180 was September 25th 2000. Lightningalex1 (talk) 20:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

yes the lady said 9:25...she was referring to the time of departure..not the date..the date was May 13th 2000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.180.166 (talk) 21:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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Trans World Airlines Flight 800
Currently the production section contains a paragraph of unsourced synthesis attempting to prove that the Volée Airlines Flight 180 shown in the film was not based or inspired on the real-life events of Trans World Airlines Flight 800. There is no reliable sources present to support that claim though. If find it extremely hard to believe that a script would have been written containing a considerable amount of details (flight from New York JFK to Paris, exploded shortly after take-off, suspected cause short-circuit igniting fuel vapor, scholars and their teachers on field trip for French class among the passengers) that matched those of a real-life airline accident that occurred two-years after the script had allegedly been written. I'm guessing that the script maybe existed in 1994, but while the setting being an airplane crash the details were probably filled in later inspired by TWA Flight 800. If the script was actually written with those exact details back in 1994, that's just extremely creepy. Anyway, we need some reliable sources to check and support how the events from the film were really devised.Tvx1 01:07, 27 January 2018 (UTC)