Talk:Final Destination 3/Archive 2

Novel
What happened to the section about the differencefrom the novel? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.71.118.12 (talk) 02:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Coaster seating
I propose that the “sitting next to X in the nth row” be removed from the characters section, in favor of a seating chart or something that visually shows where everyone was sitting. I don’t have the DVD, so someone else would have to draw it up. —Frungi 07:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Other deaths
Who deleted the names I posted about the other survivors? Their names were Charles, dana, Payton, Sean and Joseph.74.195.3.199 23:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

So...
What're we going to do about the now non-existant Deaths page? 211.30.223.128 04:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

We should make the "Deaths" on a seperate page, as well as the "Characters" section. It looks awful the way it is.


 * Neither of those categories of information is notable. 71.9.8.150 (talk) 12:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Plot length section
The plot section must be trimmed to a reasonable length. There is no reason for this sequel of a sequel to literally have every single scene documented, nor should its length be 10x that of the original film's Wikipedia plot section. What next, post the entire manuscript? (we are not far removed from that actuality on this entry) Please decide on a consensus on shortening this appropriately


 * What troubles me now about this article is that the plot section has been trimmed down to what essentially seems to be a summary meant to promote the film in some way. I mean, I suppose its unnecissary to repeat information again and again in both the plot and the deaths section, but shouldn't there be at least some kind of description of what happens in the film in the plot section? I don't have the time or patience to figure out what happened, but I think someone should combine the death section with the plot. I've always had a problem with having a death section in articles because the plot should tell that. With a film like this, the deaths are important, but shouldn't be more important than the plot. -Lindsey8417 02:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Massive plot hole, possibly worth mentioning
I just read this somewhere, can't verify myself as I don't have the movie on dvd. "The opening scene has a roller coaster that is sent through a series of malfunctions until finally it flies off the track. The catalyst for all the malfunctions was guy who dropped his camera, and the handstrap of it got caught on the track. Then when the coaster runs over it it severs a hydraulic line and slightly screws with the wheels. This leads to the seat things coming up due to the lack of hydraulics, and eventually the out-of-whack wheels shake the track so much that it breaks a little and the coaster derails.

however:

The main character's premonition causes her to freak out and prevent a bunch of the kids from getting on the train. One of the kids that now doesnt get on the coaster is the kid that had the camera. This means that the coaster never should have derailed and in fact the movie never goes back to explain how it derailed."

interesting huh? Maybe someone can confirm/deny it and then decide if its appropriate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kizeesh (talk • contribs) 21:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

From what I've seen, I've concluded that because the hydraulics were already faulty, the rollercoaster crashed regardless or not of Frankie's intervention.

Actually, this is a clue. The fact that the crash happened regardless was a hidden foreshadowing of the reoccuring FD idea that death always finds a way. The fact that Frankie got off the roller coaster and it still crashes shows that Death improvised; something else would have been the catalyst (a gameboy or something being dropped out of someone's pocket). This, along with the leaking hydraulics, causes the crash. =) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.216.118.211 (talk) 18:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Sequel rumors
Are there any sources at all about these alleged 'rumors' about what the opening accident would be in such a sequel?--MythicFox 08:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Clues section (original research)
As written, this section is unsourced and appears to be original research. If that is not the case, we need to provide proper citations to reliable sources. Otherwise, the section needs to go. -- MisterHand 15:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since its been a week and there have been no attempts to cite the information, I've deleted the section. -- MisterHand   (Talk to the Hand|Contribs)  20:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm a bit late, but it is definatly not OR as it was specifically stated by the writers of the film. I will try to back that up if you want MJN SEIFER (talk) 14:26, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Imported Trivia
'''Above is the Trivia section that has been imported from the article. No attempt has been made to integrate the content into the article, so it's been placed here.''' —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There are many instances of product placement pertaining to Apple, Inc.'s products. The main character uses a Mac (an Apple Cinema Display sits prominently on her desk displaying the Mac OS X interface) while iPods are shown prominently throughout the film. This is the second movie in the Final Destination series to contain Apple products for product placement.
 * In the Subway car at the end of the movie, Wendy looks on the map where we see the stops named "Booth", "Oswald", "Ruby Drive", "McVeigh", "Hidell", "Tippit", and "63rd". These are all names of well-known assassins. John Wilkes Booth (assassin of Abraham Lincoln), Lee Harvey Oswald (assassin of John F. Kennedy), Jack Ruby (night-club owner who killed Oswald), Timothy McVeigh (terrorist of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995), Alek Hidell (Oswald's alias), J. D. Tippit (slain by Oswald following Kennedy's assassination), and 63rd (referring to a Chicago serial killer known as "The Monster of 63rd Street", Dr. H. H. Holmes).
 * Zac Efron auditioned for the role of Kevin, but lost it. Ashley Tisdale auditioned for the role of Erin, but lost it. Vanessa Anne Hudgens auditioned for the role of Julie, but lost it. They all star in High School Musical and High School Musical 2.
 * Ian's last name, the high school's name, and the town's name, McKinley, refer to President William McKinley, who was assassinated.
 * The choose their fate menu is narrated by Kristen Cloke who played Valerie Lewton in the first movie.
 * The only two references to the second movie are the pictures of the Route 23 pile-up that Wendy shows Kevin, and the Hice Pale Ale truck seen on the freeway that boxes in Kevin’s truck at the burger drive-thru. And still one direct and "hidden" reference was afforded in the DVD version's special features. At the end of the movie, a homeless person is sleeping on a subway bench, blanketed by newspapers reporting the death of the final two people involved in the "Route 23 Pile-up". They were originally meant to die in the train, but the actors couldn't make it to the movie set because of scheduling problems.
 * Wendy Christensen was originally intended to be a cousin of Kimberly Corman from Final Destination 2.
 * The title was previously known as Cheating Death: Final Destination 3 and Final Destination 3-D. 3-D was considered for the film, but it was deemed too expensive and complicated.
 * The Devil's Flight roller coaster featured in the movie is actually the "Corkscrew" at Playland in Vancouver, Canada. In the opening credits, the name Corkscrew is seen up in lights.
 * Ian McKinely and Erin Ulmer's pet names for each other, "Zip" and "Pip," were once the stage names of Elvira and Jenny Lee Snow, who suffered from microphaly and were a sideshow attraction (appearing in Tod Browning's Freaks as being called "pinheads") This hints at Erin's death as well as an ironic statement when she comments to Ian about "pinhead" customers.
 * The names, "Zip" and "Pip," may also refer to one of the oldest U.S. wooden rollercoaster, the Zippin Pippin (now dismantled) that existed at Libertyland in Memphis, Tennessee. It was said to be Elvis Presley's favorite roller coaster, which he spent several hours riding the week before his death.
 * In the original script, Ian McKinley was a female character who tried avoiding her boyfriend. Erin was originally a male character.
 * When Ashlyn and Ashley lie in the tanning beds they listen to the song "Love Rollercoaster" by the Ohio Players, referring to the rollercoaster that could have killed them. A common urban legend surrounding the song is that the scream heard during the song was left in as a tribute to a model murdered by the band's manager while the song was being recorded. . The scream is edited into the tanning salon scene twice, the second time just before the girls realize the danger they are in.
 * The tagline of the movie "This Ride Will Be The Death Of You" is also from a lyric of the song "Queen of Apology" by The Sounds (which plays in the lobby of the tanning salon), "This will be the death of me." Final Destination 3 is a product of New Line Cinema and The Sounds are a product of New Line Records.
 * As revealed in "Kill Shot: Making Of Final Destination 3," the actors in the rollercoaster scene had to ride the roller coaster various times to get it right.
 * Erin's death can be foreseen in the opening credits when we see a picture of a lady with nails in her face.
 * During the scene where Frankie dies, the truck that is reversing into Kevin's truck is the same as the truck in the pile up on the second final destination.
 * In Japan, the film is renamed as Final Deadcoaster.
 * Depending on the 'Choose Their Fate' feature, either Ashley or Ashlyn get a slightly worse death than the other. In the original scene where they are both burned, Ashlyn gets the worse death as Ashley inadvertantly breaks the glass on her tanning bed due to struggling and thus stops the heat. But Ashlyn's bed continues to pump out heat, scorching her worse than Ashley. In the alternate scene, Ashlyn simply gets knocked out by the shelf whereas Ashley is trapped and burned in addition to being electrocuted later on.
 * The song played during Ashley and Ashlyn's funeral is the same song played during the memorial service of Flight 180 in "Final Destination".
 * Writers paid tribute to the band The Ramones in each installment of Final Destination.
 * Kris Lemche had to take forklift driving lessons for two days to learn how to drive one.
 * Helga Ungurait, the script supervisor, referred to Texas Battle as "the king of adding the word 'fuck'" for ad-libbing the word so much.
 * Tony Todd who plays the mortician in the first two Final Destination installments is the voice of the subway conductor in the third film as well as the voice for the Devil at the fair.
 * The music in the opening credits is the same music from the opening credits in the first film.
 * On the roller coaster premonition, Kevin is bisected, but in the final scene when its about to flip over Kevin's corpse is nowhere in the shot despite being next to Wendy.


 * More of same

Trivia

Unlike Final Destination 1 and 2, the main character's premonition in this movie did not reduce the number of deaths in the first accident. Those that did go on the ride after Wendy's premonition were substituted by other people behind them in the line, who were not supposed to die, although it is not confirmed that they did die.

Furthermore, additional deaths were needed in the train accident in the end to kill Julie, Kevin and Wendy (We cannot presume they are killed by Final Destination 4 because it is a separate story from the first 3 movies), so their fate is unknown.

If you notice when Wendy takes a picture of Ashly and Ashlyn there is a red light right when the flash goes off.

In the Choose Their Fate Mode on the DVD, near the end you can choose to read a newspaper that a homeless person is using as a bed. It tells you that the two main survivors from Final Destination 2 died in a freak accident, proving that New Life doesn't stop Death. 71.9.8.150 (talk) 12:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Who keeps changing the deaths?
who do you think dies first...(despite what wikipedia says)...Ashley or Ashlyn??? Ashley is shown to be the last one screeming so why does someone keep putting that Ashlyn died second??? also the same guys says that wendy was the 15th to die which is not possible since the kids in the roller coaster where 14...

Lewis Romero's death wrong?
The description for Lewis Romero's death does not match what I saw. In the DVD, vibrations cause the crossed swords to fall off the wall, slicing through cables on a weight machine he's using (military press?). All seems fine, and then when he does the next rep the two massive weights fall towards the center, smashing his head between them. This isn't anything like what's in the article, are there two versions of this scene?

Yes, there are two versions of the scene. On the DVD version there is an option to cause some scenes to happen differently/ MJN SEIFER (talk) 18:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Complete gutting
Per WP:NOTE, WP:NOR, and most particularly WP:WAF, I just gave this article a major gutting. Any of this material can, of course, be restored, but there would have to be a rationale provided for why the material is notable enough for inclusion in a reference encyclopedia, rather than a fan page somewhere offsite. As it stands, the article is much briefer, but is also in line with other examples on Wikipedia. Feel free to throw popcorn my direction. 71.9.8.150 (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I repeats - before restoring the trivia, please justify its inclusion here, per the policies above. 71.9.8.150 (talk) 02:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

It is done
If I ever come back to this artical and somebody has reverted to that god-awful essay-summary that was there before it will be someone's head on a plate. And if you so dare edit this new summary, if it becomes any longer than it already is, I will gouge your eyes with a pickle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.242.132 (talk) 09:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Why have you edited? It looked fine as it was. MJN SEIFER (talk) 14:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Well get the pickle ready because there were some MAJOR discrepancies in the article and I corrected them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Southerngal225 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Umm... This is a bit embarrasing, but I might have thought you're edits where someone elses, sorry if that's the case... MJN SEIFER (talk) 15:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I rewrote the latest plot, the one before didn't say anything and parts about characters are incorrect. I hope you like it. The one that's up now is mine. --24.186.179.185 (talk) 01:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Kate

Yeah, it's good. Much more informative than the last one. MJN SEIFER (talk) 18:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Shite
That's what this article is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.230.38.115 (talk) 20:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

No it's not, I've rewritten the latest plot. And I own the movie and it's great and if you don't like it, you don't appreciate the art of horror. Someone else try and be more thorough than me. I'm a writer, so I don't know why Wikipedia is saying that it's unclear. --24.186.179.185 (talk) 01:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)Kate

Frankie's camera
I would be greatful if members could help me find reliable sources on this statement;

"He is often erroneously believed to be the cause of the accident by some of the fans[who?], because he dropped his camera shortly before the deaths started.[citation needed] However, when one watches the premonition closely, it becomes clear that the roller-coaster was already starting to collapse before he dropped it, meaning it that he only caused slightly more damage to the ride, making the deaths happen slightly sooner than they would have done."

I know it is true, but as this is Wikipedia, I need back up to keep it in MJN SEIFER (talk) 19:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Frankie dropped the camera because of Ashley and Ashlyn, the two beautiful girls who were burned alive inside their sunbeds. (talk) 19:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)