Talk:Final Fantasy X/Archive 5

Blitzball?
The recent merging of Blitzball to this article saw unrelated information that has nothing to do with the said game being placed within. I've undo the change with a valid reason - unrelated information. &mdash; Blue. 00:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Blitzball only appears in two games: Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2. That is why. Ffgamera (talk) 10:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * its also mentioned in Kingdom Hearts 2 (The boys (Tidus and Wakka) are mentioned to be playing a ball game) and Wakka has a Blitzball in Kingdom Hearts so its not compleatly useless74.67.21.49 (talk) 05:38, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Trimming down the article
WP:NOT, WP:NOT, WP:CVG/GL and WP:WIAGA(3b)
 * Does anyone else think the Battle System and Story subsections could do with some trimming and summarising? Not sure on how the Battle System subsection might be trimmed, but the Story I've got a general direction. With the Story, I would look at the core plot, and only include things which affect that plot. So references to Seymour Guado for example, I would remove, since in the end he isn't related to how Sin is eventually defeated. Sentences such as Additionally, it is revealed that Auron himself is an Unsent, having been killed by Yunalesca ten years earlier when he confronted her in rage after the deaths of Braska and Jecht. These litter the Story subsection, and I would remove them. Ong elvin 05:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:TidusYunaEmbrace.jpg
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 * Fixed- rationale added to image. --PresN 03:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

FFX International
Current revision under versions and merchandise incorrectly states only the European version of release of the game came with the "Beyond Final Fantasy DVD". This was also included in the Japan release. Updated to reflect that and state the International version of the game utilized the PlayStation 2 HDD and could be played in English. These edits were reverted by Axem Titanium with the reasoning "sorry but that's a little too detailed for inclusion on a general purpose encyclopedia" My natural inclination to revert these edits. However, before I do, I'd like a general consensus. Thanks AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Concerning the Beyond FF DVD, I would like a clarification as to whether it is the normal Japanese release or the International version that includes it. That the PS2 HDD can be used is not particularly notable since many games also do the same thing and its use here is not too special. Above all, your edits lacked citations to preserve the verifiability of the article. Axem Titanium (talk) 00:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back. 1)Agreed. I do believe there are two versions. However, in that vein, this needs to be clarified for the European release as well. As the article stands it lacks that clarification. 2) Use of HDD is notable as the original release of the game did not feature this capability. It was an enhancement that impacts the game play (no loading screens, seamless transition from in game to FMV). 3) Assuming good faith, wouldn't it be more prudent to source, or request source on the talk page, of the uncited entry as opposed to deleting it out right? AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The fact that there was a difference in HDD compatibility between versions is not, in and of itself, notable. Loading times do not impact gameplay unless it is sufficiently bad as to negatively affect it, but since it doesn't in the original, any improvement would be trivial. My main contention is that it is not vitally important that these facts be noted in the article since they don't have an assertion of notability. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, ok. I see I'm fighting a loosing trivial battle, concerning triviality. I'm a new wiki user, but it seems everyone is using wikipedia guidelines to be staunchly, condescendingly, bureaucratically militant and talk down to anyone who makes changes that they don't approve of. I'm sure you have good intentions, but let's try to be a little less patronizing? Good luck with maintaining the article. Thanks. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 17:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I sounded patronizing; that was certainly not my intention. If it makes you feel any better, this happens to everyone (including to me, back in the day). Eventually, you'll get a feel for what is and isn't too much detail to include. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically, the PAL version is the only one with "Beyond Final Fantasy". The bonus DVD of FFX International is "Other Side of the Final Fantasy 2", which is a sequel to the bonus DVD of the original JP release, "Other Side of the Final Fantasy." Perhaps "Beyond Final Fantasy" has the same content as OSotFF (I wouldn't know, as I don't own either one), but it's not the same as OSotFF2, as it doesn't have the "Another Story ~ Eien no Nagisetsu" scene. Majin Izlude  talk  15:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

The cause of the creation of FF X-2
It is mentioned in the article that success is the cause of making FFX-2. But FF7 had sold more than FFX and we had to wait even longer than FFX to have a sequel.

No, I heard that the fiasco of the movie FF:Spirits Within was also a major reason for Square to start doing sequels. What do you think ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sseb22 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Final Fantasy X-2 was made due to Critical Reputation of the story, and the feeling of an incomplete story.Ffgamera (talk) 11:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Overuse of Fair Use Images
I have some concerns w/ some of the fair use screenshots in this article. Per WP:NFC, less is more, as fair use images must both be significant and be used minimally. I could be given to understand six, maybe seven screens, particularly with a game w/ as much plot and as many gameplay mechanics as FFX, but nine is overdoing it. Specifically, I have concerns w/ the following images:

—Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:FFXoverdriveexample2.JPG: Overdrives are an important part of FFX, but not a vital gameplay mechanic. I don't really see how it aids in the description of the fictional world of Spira or the game's distinct art style as it says in the rationale.  Moreover, only four of the seven main playable characters in the game use the "fighting game-style inputs" that the image depicts.  A more informative image would be one of a more prominent gameplay element such as Aeons and Summoning, the Temple's "Trials," or maybe even of the minigame Blitzball.  As it is, the image shown would brobably more befit this article.
 * Image:FFXRedCarpet.jpg: I like this screenshot; it depicts one of my favorite moments in the game. That being said, images are not to be used in a decorative manner, as this one appears to be.  One can barely recognize the characters depicted, and only someone who has played the game would have any idea how this could be a rescue attempt at a wedding.  The fact that the event depicted isn't even close to being described in the Plot summary indicates its superfluity.  A more encyclopedic image would probably depict the hight-tech "Dream Zanarkand" so it can be contrasted with the Zanarkand Ruins or with the low-tech villiages of FFX Spira.
 * I think they should be removed too. FightingStreet (talk) 15:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Unreliable sources
I tagged a few sources in the article as they are from fansites; they need to be replaced with reliable sources. Also, the two refs named "Final Fantasy X review" and the one named "THE POWER OF EXPRESSION" are not formatted properly. Kariteh (talk) 17:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Suteki Da Ne - Beautiful or Wonderful?
On this page it says that Suteki Da Ne translates to Isn't It Beautiful but on the 'Discography of Final Fantasy X' page it says it translates to Isn't it Wonderful. I know this probably very nit-picky but which is it? 88.108.126.181 (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, I'll fix it. --PresN (talk) 19:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Story
Clean up the story section, that is WAY too much information

"then they went here and he killed 3 guards"

seriously is this much detail needed in a summarization?

all I wanna do is compare Tales of Symphonia's story to FFX as I have never played FFX and some people have said that Symphonia's story was a blatant ripoff of FFX's...

can someone shorten it and get to the point in it? what the general story of it is.. 03:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

--Can someone verify that you do not need a 100% completion in FFX-2 to see Tidus rush up from the water? You need a Good Ending OR 100%! But everytime I edit, someone changes it back. Someone support me.Ffgamera (talk) 11:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for changing that for me. Ffgamera (talk) 10:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Should this be mention?
I saw this video on youtube. It is the beta demo of Final Fantasy X. The logo, the graphics, and Tidus's hair are different in the demo compared to the final release. I think in this demo, FFX was supposed to have option to play online. Should this have a mention in this article. 99.179.173.225 (talk) 05:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Youtube isn't a reliable source.--Megaman en m (talk) 11:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

--The demo was for PlayStation One and was bundled with Final Fantasy VI (6). Ffgamera (talk) 11:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Further Blitzball Discussion
Anyone else notice that the gameplay for the Blitzball minigame in FFX(Not FFX-2) is identical to that of the Famicom Captain Tsubasa/NES Tecmo Cup Soccer games? Does anyone know if there is any connection between the two? Or is the similarity most likely a coincedence?--Vercalos (talk) 04:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Images
The images of Uematsu and Sakaguchi should be removed. That's like including a picture of a bag of flour in the cake article; ingredients should be mentioned, but knowing what the developers looked liked does not help the reader's understanding of the article. In fact, it may hurt it; the images may distract from the information directly relevant to Final Fantasy X.

Moreover, the article needs more screenshots. Before, I pointed out that the article had ten screens or something. That was too many. Now it has one. That is not enough. Wikipedia policy explicitly states that non-free content can be used if it illustrates a concept that can't be explained in words, and also significantly increases the reader's understanding of the topic. Do you honestly believe readers will pick up on a difficult gameplay concept such as the sphere grid in those two paragraphs? What about a shot of the main characters? FFX is differentiated from other games by its gameplay and storyline, it would vastly increase the reader's understanding if they could visualize what's going on. --23:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

NSG not mentioned
The leveling system in FFX has led to people taking on (and succeeding at) the NSG challenge: No Sphere Grid. I think this is worth at least mentioning in the article. FFX is the only game in the FF series which allows this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.63.51.122 (talk) 16:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

To anyone that cares to edit
Just thought I would mention that "In 2003, it was followed by a direct sequel; Final Fantasy X-2, making it the only Final Fantasy game to have a direct sequel." is now outdated and false (as IV and XII have direct sequels). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.1.31.69 (talk) 05:39, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

In the story part of the article it says that trommel guado lead the party to the guadosalam temple to meet seymour, this is false, as there is no temple in guadosalam. They first went to macalania and met him at the temple there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.124.107.67 (talk) 17:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Trommel does lead them to the Guado mansion (Where Seymour lives). He is seen again at the Macalania travel agency where he takes Yuna to meet Seymour (after the party defeat the crawler, although he starts before this)

Confusion
Upon going onto Tv tropes there was a mention of the ending sequence to FFX changing based on if Tidus had more affection for Rikku/Lulu than Yuna, but couldn't be implemented due to size. Anyone got a source? 81.156.53.53 (talk) 07:38, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

No, There is only one ending. I'm a big fan of Rikku. When I play, Tidus ride a bike with Rikku and Rikku is the one who throw a blitzball for Tidus when using an overdrive but the ending still the same. Romangelo (talk) 07:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

How do I revert the image?
Some guy changed the box art. --Evilbetty1991 (talk) 21:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Does't really matter now, does it? -017Bluefield (talk)

Aspect ratio
The aspect ratio of both FFX and FFX-2 is 16:9 in PAL version. I played International version (NTSC-J) of FFX and NA version of FFX-2 (NTSC-U) a few months ago and found no problem until I downloaded and burned UK version of FFX and FFX-2 (PAL-E) and play on my 4:3 TV. There are two black bars at the top and bottom of the screen (widescreen mode is off. When I turn on widesceen, it's more terrible). I thought that is my TV display error. I surf the web and find that those who use PAL-E version encounter the same issue. I'm not sure about other European country versions.

At first I assume that is because of bad regional conversion. But after trying both NTSC and PAL version of FFX-2 on PCSX2 and take 3 screenshots of the opening FMV at the same point, I reallize that I'm wrong. The FMV is 16:9 by purpose -- there's no "fat character". I don't want to upload these screenshots here for you folks to compare the differences 'cuz they will be deleted soon. But if anyone need the proof, tell me and I'll upload it to some other site. -- Livy the pixie (talk) 14:22, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Here is the screenshot from FFX-2 NTSC-U, and here is the screenshot from FFX-2 PAL-E (screenshot from PCSX2. The only different is that when play on PS2 & TV, there's 2 small blacks bar at the top and bottom of the screen, not 1 big black bar at the bottom as playing on PCSX2). FFX PAL and NTSC are the same. See what I told ya? -- Livy the pixie (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Just one more thing. When run on PCSX2, FMVs in PAL version of FFX & FFX-2 are 16:9 but the game is 4:3. But when run on PS2 & TV, they are all 16:9. Dunno why. But anyway, we are talking about a PS2 game, not a PC one. -- Livy the pixie (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

HD Remake.
Should someone mention that somewhere? I'd do it, but I'm lazy. Pretty much nothing's been said on it yet, so maybe it can wait until more information's revealed.

Here's an article sort of mentioning it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.246.249.112 (talk) 08:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Added by an anon and I moved it to Final Fantasy X.Tintor2 (talk) 11:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Anons have continuously added the same information to the lead. Since they are of course good faith edits, shouldn't a note be placed?Tintor2 (talk) 00:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * After seeing a link to a blog about FF X HD on Google, I came here to see if that was really going to happen. It seemed to me like this information should have been near the top, or a section with a title of "HD Version" could be listed in the contents. Waynariffic (talk) 13:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We could give its own section if we had more information about it. Until now, we only have three sentences.Tintor2 (talk) 18:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Spoken Recording
I'm having trouble with the producers name's pronunciation. It will take me a while to check and double check. If anyone has a link to somewhere I can hear their names it would help, otherwise I may not be able to complete this. Betsi-HaP (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * YO-she-NOR-ee Kih-TAH-say. -- Pres N  04:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Game quotes section
I found that the |Final Fantasy IX article's reference section has a "Game quotes" section. Should we do that for X, too? (I mean, it would make things easier to separate.) -017Bluefield (talk) 03:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It would be better to follow the latest Final Fantasy FA Final Fantasy XIII not only because of the latest requirements for FAs, but also because it makes it is less crowded in game quotes.Tintor2 (talk) 14:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess. :-/ -017Bluefield (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Since you are already editing several Final Fantasy articles, how about asking in in the Square Enix project?Tintor2 (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll do that. -017Bluefield (talk) 23:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Quote format
The list of characters for Final Fantasy X and X-2 has an "easy-to-read" format for the citations' quotes. Should we do that here, too? :-/ -017Bluefield (talk)
 * No, YOU added this so-called "easy-to-read" format to that article, despite being repeatedly reverted on other articles with the note that there is no consensus for this change. I suggest you restore the citations to their original format on the Characters of FFX article. Personally, I feel this new format takes up way too much space in the references section and your quotation style relies too heavily on injecting your interpretation of the actions and emotions. If you want to propose a change to the WP:SE manual of style for story citations, do so at WT:SE. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Seconded. I didn't think the format you liked in Final Fantasy IX was that bad, but that characters article... you have a 31-speaker quote to cite that Wakka doesn't like machina or Al Bhed. It could have been done with one line. And the stage directions and interpretations of how the characters are feeling are just way out of line. Please don't replicate that format in any other article, and you should probably revert yourself in the characters article as well. -- Pres N  18:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Ow. -017Bluefield (talk) 05:34, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Are you going to do anything about that? Axem Titanium (talk) 03:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I already did. -017Bluefield (talk) 04:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at the Characters page right now and it's still full of your colorful stage directions and space inefficiencies. You also seem determined to convert this article to the same way, as far as I can tell. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Will cut down further later. -017Bluefield (talk) 16:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Copies Sold
Guys, FFX has sold 8.05 million copies worldwide, check vgchartz.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.195.94 (talk) 14:33, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Vgchartz, unfortunately, isn't a reliable source- their "extrapolations" of sales have a strong whiff of "making up numbers", and have been provably wrong in the past. -- Pres N  15:12, 26 July 2012 (UTC)