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information from another article
This article mentions that this performer's vocals were used in the music of this game, and I clicked through looking to see what exactly they contributed to, however she is not mentioned here or on Music_of_Final_Fantasy_XIII-2

If her exact contribution could be listed in Music_of_Final_Fantasy_XIII-2 then the section it appeared in could be added to the link on Origa, improving both pages. With a short google, I was able to locate a list here: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/ORIGA the reference points to her official site, which appears to be down with errors at the time of this writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.87.9.107 (talk) 16:00, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, from looking at the album credits it looks like there were scattered vocals from 7 different performers, along with a children's chorus. Origa sang on 3 (out of 79) tracks- "New Bodhum", "New Bodhum - Aggressive Mix -", and "Historia Crux". The other tracks listed on that wikia are credited instead to DAGMUSIC LTD, which is a Japanese sound production company. I've added a line about the vocalists to Music of Final Fantasy XIII-2, but without a source external to the soundtrack credits, or a more significant contribution beyond a handful of tracks each, I don't think that a track-by-track listing of who sang on what is warranted. -- Pres N  16:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

WP:URFA/2020 notes
As part of the current FA sweeps, I have reviewed this article to check against continued adherence to the FA criteria. The article hasn't significantly changed from its passing version the better part of a decade ago, though I have some thoughts on the article and its current state, as follows:
 * The lead suffers from recent "this news came out, stuck it in the lead" issues with the Xbox info (that could be cited to better than tweets, as well.)
 * There's some issues of organization that I found throughout, where the article suffers from some disordered thought. I fixed some of this in the lead, for example (where the article went from talking about release dates, to comparisons to XIII, back to release dates, then back to gameplay), but I notice it throughout, such as talking about the game camera, then easy/hard modes, then back to game cameras and world navigation in gameplay,
 * The gameplay could use another pass for prose and comprehension cleanup. The explanation of the battle system especially is really hard to follow as someone not familiar with the FF series, and uses a lot of repetitious phrasing that makes it worse (also: choose either "the player" or "players", but it's weird to switch back and forth when it's talking about the same hypothetical person.)
 * Along those lines, explaining how every single thing is different or the same from XIII seems unnecessary for a general-purpose encyclopedia as opposed to a gaming wiki, and would make the prose read a lot better if some of these differences were cut, e.g. Monsters do not freely roam the map like in Final Fantasy XI to XIII, but instead, they randomly appear as in the earlier Final Fantasy games. (which doesn't really tell me what randomly appearing actually means, anyhow.) Same with mentioning the Eidolons at the end—why throw another proper noun that isn't relevant to understanding this game at people?
 * lthough the developers were explicitly responding to the criticism, they saw the changes and additions as making the sequel in line with what players had hoped Final Fantasy XIII would be, rather than backing away from the changes that game had brought to the series. I can't really parse what this sentence is trying to say, because if they explicitly designed XIII-2 to respond to criticism and make the game more like people hoped XIII would be, that doesn't seem to equal not backing down from the changes they made.
 * The Marketing section doesn't really seem to be focused on marketing. It's mostly a bunch of development quotes and rumor-mill stuff.
 * Performed a ref spot-check, since that didn't appear to have been done at the FAC at the time. Checked current refs 2, 7, 8, 11, 25, 28, 29, 42, 46, 52, 57, 66, 70, 76, 83, and 87.
 * You've got a bunch of refs that are archived but should have the  field since they are now 404s or redirects.
 * Citations are a bit inconsistent in formatting (using work/website fields versus publisher fields for similar info, etc.)
 * I think smaller page ranges for citations from the manual would be ideal. Given how it's easy for gameplay sections to get unverifiable stuff added in, it's an extra problem if someone needs to go through a 20-page range to try and figure out if it's cited or not.
 * Doesn't appear ref 7 fully cites the entire paragraph about random encounters and battles that comes before it.
 * Don't think ref 11 is a good citation for the section it's citing (it's also before XIII, so it's a bit misleading where it seems like it's supporting XIII-2 and XIII's similarities.)
 * Final line of plot misquotes game dialogue (says "curses" but the attached citation just says "curse".)
 * On the subject, I'm not sure the primary plot quotes are really worth including here, since implicitly the game is the source for all the information (at least directly in the plot section) and I'm left wondering why some parts are cited and others aren't.
 * Cite 29 (Webcitation) wasn't working for me when I tried accessing it on multiple different days.
 * Not sure It would ship an additional 200,000 to 400,000 copies according to Square Enix press releases. Its Steam release sold over 330,000 copies by early 2016. To October 15, 2017 has sold a total of 3.7 million copies is properly supported by the appended Steamspy ref (70). Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 14:00, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've done a run-through of all of this besides the 3 spot-check issues; may do another pass through gameplay as well to simplify the language- this game has like six over-complicated systems that go into combat, and the text right now is trying to hard to have them make sense while giving details. -- Pres N  21:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's definitely looking much better. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 21:36, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Slight nitpick on alleged "darkness"
Nice that this had a front page appearance! As a random thought from a reread...


 * Unlike Final Fantasy X-2, which had a more cheerful and humorous feel than Final Fantasy X, the staff members wanted the overall tone of Final Fantasy XIII-2 to be serious as well as darker and more mysterious than its predecessor.[33]

The reference is from pre-release interviews, aka the notoriously unreliable upcoming previews. Is it worth pointing out somewhere that the game absolutely did not ship this way, for the benefit of outsider readers who didn't actually play it? Like, it's fair to bring up as apparently a matter of staff intention, but 13-2 is in no way darker than FF13 in what they shipped. FF13 is a story with some pretty adult themes: genocide ordered by the government (even involving trains!), the moral quandary of killing even more people by resistance versus surrender but allowing an evil system to perpetuate, horror bits with people turned into shambling zombies and/or frozen forever, etc. Also, Lightning is serious and a bit of a sourpuss for a lead. 13-2, while the stakes are big as usual (stop time from breaking apart!), is considerably more chill. The problems the cast fixes like time paradoxes don't really have disturbing real-life analogues like genocide. Serah is substantially more laid back, cracks jokes, etc. There's some bad futures but they generally get fixed, and rather than misguided murderous humans to fight it's either Caius or monsters or evil robots at fault. Noel is shockingly well-adjusted for being one of the last humans alive (wildly unrealistically, but so be it). 13-2 was not a dark game. Is there some bit of reception that can be snuck in to "counter" this bit, or make clear that it was more intention and less reality? (Not that there's a truly objective dark-o-meter out there, but... it's not really that close.)  SnowFire (talk) 02:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)