Talk:Final Fantasy XIII/Archive 1

Square Enix slipped
When the young woman of the FF13 Trailer is upside down, pay attention to that woman's hair!

Yeah it's all about the pull of gravity. But this time in FF13, the woman has ability to control gravity on herself right? I dunno but we'll see later on with other characters.

Main Character's name
I'm not sure where "Alfred" came from ... the most compelling argument I've heard so far is that her name is "Lightning". Source: the battle screen still (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ff13_2.jpg) -- if you look at the very bottom of the screen, it's written right before ATB. Maybe this is only a work in progress name. It does fit with tradition in naming FF heroes though (Cloud, Squall, Tidus).

Grianne 20:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * that, or its like an overdrive thing? i think they'll change it eventually, but i do believe that you are right in assuming that's her name... its in the exact place her name should be... -Xornok 21:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for linking and helping in the slow death of my bandwidth =P Though I agree it's very possible Lightning is the character name, especially from its position next to the gauge. Oh.cera 00:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm sorry! I edited it so that it links to the Wiki version of the picture instead. Grianne 00:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's alright ;) Oh.cera 01:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * How can the main character's name be Alfred? Isn't it a girl? Hariharan91 23:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, it could still be used as a girl's name (actually, that would be kind of cool!). But there doesn't seem to be any proof for that the moment. I just added some more info about the argument for her name being Lightning, and some evidence refuting that her name is Natch. Grianne 16:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Haha. I guess you're right! On a random note, has anyone noticed that the blizzard spell is erroneously spelt as "Blizzrad" in the scene where she's fighting those baddies?? Hariharan91 17:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * But if Lightning were her name, would it not be written out in katakana? -Dumb Guest Guy


 * Lightning is NOT her name. Lightning is actually her 'overdrive' type thing like in the other FF games. Her name isn't yet released/confirmed. But, there are actually a few main characters/game campaigns according to an official site. So yes, Alfred is a character name leaked as one of the leading roles. - Brians2short (AIM)


 * Since when has any FF game displayed the name of a character's limit break at all times...? Which is apparently the case since "Lightning" appears in virtually every single battle screen shot released thus far. However, one thing that FF games always do is display the player's characters names on screen. Druff 01:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * From what I herd her name was Cosmos. And Alfred? I don't think I could play a game with a girl named Alfred. - Wiki Bernard

Square Enix also doesn't usually use American names, they're usually Japanese or from somewhere else, so I doubt that any of the character's names will be Alfred.

I KNEW IT HER NAME WOULD BE LIGHTNING!!!--67.174.128.249

Stop-fusion
Is this mentioned in the Gamers envelope article? I'm guessing not, since it says "it's rumored to be". Also I remember reading a post by someone on the PS3 boards (I think) saying that they "liked to call" this battle system "stop-fusion". Is there a transcript or other report about this interview?

Grianne 10:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The original interview was posted here : Oh.cera 12:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, at first I was excited when I saw that, but it looks like that poster doesn't have a genuine source yet (as some posters on the forum are pointing out too). I tried googling for "gamers/z envelope" and variants and turned up nada ... but as he says it's a very "secretive place". ;) I also checked this dude's past posts and he is the person who mentioned "stop-fusion" is what he "calls" the battle system . Still I think we should wait a little bit before it's decided to be fraudulent or not. For all we know, it could be true. I've just seen so many hoaxes on the net, I'm very jaded. :p Grianne 14:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe refrences to that interview should be removed. I just looked up that poster's other posts and they seem pretty questionable. Especially since he can't even give a web site url for the company. Oh.cera 03:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I certainly think it's a load of BS, and so do most people, it seems. I can only assume that he's the one who keeps coming in and adding stuff about it to the article. Well, I'm going to go rewrite some of the Combat section in a few minutes. There are some better observations about the battle system that can be added to it. Grianne 15:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Gunblade
I just added a better quality screenshot of the gunblade taken from the official site trailer (and I'm about to add a link to that as well). Grianne 18:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a gunblade, it's a sword that becomes a gun. Change the caption.--The Crowing 23:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * wow, demanding. its a new modified gunblade, and probably a true gunblade because it is a gun (obviously) and switches to a sword, whereas the original "gunblade" was merely a sword with the handle of a gun and did not shoot at all... so i think an F and a U are in order... -Xornok 00:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:CIVIL, please. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 18:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * ill be civil when people become more polite. i dont do well when people just come and say "Do this, change that" like they own the place... sorry tho -Xornok 20:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:CIVIL doesn't say be civil when others are civil towards you. It says always be civil. Being rude to people when they are rude doesn't help anything. In future, try to bite your tongue and point out WP:CIVIL instead. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

here here and a round of rum for the gent -Xornok 21:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * yes, captain, my captain, sir. *salutes*... -Xornok 21:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * To quote the Wikipedia page on Gunblades: "Though [Other] weapons are often referred to as 'gunblades' among fans of Final Fantasy, only those weapons in the style used by Seifer and Squall in Final Fantasy VIII are officially referred to by that title." So until Square-Enix release something official (Like the instruction manual character bio) that refers to the weapon as a gunblade, it should be refered to as a dual perpose weapon- A gun that locks into the hilt of a sword.--Simondrake 22:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * read this article again then, it says gunblade-like, not a gunblade. it mostly resembles a gunblade and as you just said, we dont have a name for it, so calling gunblade-like gives readers at least a starting point as to what the weapon looks like... -Xornok 23:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry I was so rude, but it looks and functions nothing like a Gunblade.--The Crowing 04:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it may not look much like the ffviii gunblades, but it certainly functions like one, i.e its a gun and a blade. Thats why I wrote Gunblade-like and not just Gunblade. I expect it will be given a different name eventually but until then I say leave it as it is. Iron Ghost 21:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Gunblade is just a fancy name for a bayonet anyway. I do think at one point it was in between a sword and a gun.--Claude 04:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

A Gunblade and a bayonet are nothing alike. A bayonet is a blade fastened to the end of a rifle. A Gunblade is a sword that uses gunpowder(And maybe a bullet too, I'm not sure) to vibrate the blade and create a deadlier wound when attacking someone.--The Crowing 22:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That doesn't change the fact that Bayonets had been called Gunblades by some long before FFVIII was ever made.--Claude 04:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

In the context of Final Fantasy games, certain words have an extra meaning that is different to that used in the rest of the English language. You have to be careful in music when describing a note as sounding sharp (Meaning abrupt) when it might be misinterpreted as meaning sharp (A notation similar to flat). In the same way you have to be careful about refering to a character that summons (Meaning calls or brings) another character by calling their name when it might be misinterpreted as a summoning spell. The term Gunblade has been used in the past to describe various weapons ranging from flint-lock pistols with knives attached to rifles with bayonets. But in the context of Final Fantasy games it has a special meaning, refering to the weapons used by Squall, Siefer and NPCs in Final Fantasy VIII. The weapon in this trailer is clearly different to the ones in FFVIII. Although it might be possible to call such a weapon a gunblade, in the context of Final Fantasy games it does not fit the description. Therefore it is NOT a gunblade. Aside from this logical deduction it has not been refered to as a gunblade by any official source. This means that describing it as a gunblade is both speculation and original research. Bottom line, it is a weapon that is combination of a firearm and a sword, it is not a gunblade.Simondrake 23:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree 100% with the above, now would people please stop editing it, that means you Emokid200618. Plebmonk

Teaser
According to the videos on YouTube and comparing them to the pictures on here, it seems that there's one teaser preview and one real. Rabid coathangers eat da world 12:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Six Titles
It was written on the article that six titles have been confirmed, and that they're rumoured to be coming out for the 360. The 360 rumour has no base and is merely speculation. Square Enix also said nothing about there being six titles, only that they planned more, and presented a diagram with three empty circles (representing that there will be more titles, not announcing how many). I've edited the paragraph with what has been confirmed instead of what is being speculated. Vibriante 19:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Pioneering
I changed the reference from Kingdom Hearts "pioneering" realtime RPG combat to Seiken Densetsu, Square's first realtime RPG series as it makes more sense to refer to something that has more experience and age in the category than something that just come out a few years ago.--Claude 04:13, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Online & Demo Sections
It has not been announced that Final Fantasy XIII will have an online system like the Phantasy Star games. The translation of the Dengeki article (which is very hazy, all translations of it have turned out differently) only said they were thinking about 'maybe' implementing a few online features into the game. It has also not been said that a demo will be available for players in 2007, it has only been presumed by some that FFXIII will be playable at E3 2007. There is a giant difference. I removed both sections from the article.Vibriante 19:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

No 'main character'
"It has been said that there is no 'main character', and that the game will center around multiple characters."

Who said that? Can someone confirm this? Beacuse I read this after the E3: "The woman in the trailer is probably not the main character however the developers want to give a prominent role in the game to a strong, independent woman."

"It has been said" is not a good source IMO. --83.109.102.106 11:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Questionable Development Team Comment
"The game was originally planned for the PlayStation 2 but was later moved to the PlayStation 3 after the development team discovered the power of the platform."

I find this hard to believe. The "development team" would have known what the Playstation 3's "power" would have been as soon as the PS3's release date was announced, and they would have had a general idea long before that. It's not like it has a microchip in it from the future. It'd be pretty silly if they still intended to release FF13 on the Playstation 2 a year after the Playstation 3 had been out.


 * I know, but SE said that they developed the white engine for the PS2 and with that FFxiii for the "old" plattform. They changed their mind. I guess that FF12 took so long that it was, as you said, a waste to make FFxiii game for ps2. Upgrade! --83.109.118.58 21:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII pre-production started during the development of Final Fantasy XII, which was a year before the PS3 had any definitive release date (2004). After Sony revealed the specs for the PS3 was when SE switched platforms. 58.162.101.120 06:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I think SE would have gone for PS3 anyway. They have a tendencey to release 3 FFs per generation.PureLegend 17:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

SE doesn't just release 3 FFs per generation; they release FFs on the best console available. EvilReborn 02:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Battle system
Above is a theory I recently came up with regards to the 'radar' dialog that appears on the top left of the battle screen. Interesting if I don't say so myself ! (See bottom)

character
what does it mean that "she will not be a players character"? Is she playable or what?

She is a playable character. The trailer involves real time battle footage, therefore you *will* be playing as this heroine.

Update on battyle system information btw, I've proved my radar theory ! http://www.fabula-nova-crystallis.com/battlesys.htm


 * Please sign your comments. I have removed the line about her not being a "player's character" as I can find no information on many popular game sites I checked; surely this would be classed as 'news' for the game, yet it does not appear. In addition, the contributor started off by adding "some magazines are saying..." and then decided to edit it to "Square Enix has confirmed...". If the original contributor wishes to readd it, find some sources. SynergyBlades 15:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Also that link does not work. If you want more reliable theories. Go to http://www.finalfantasy-xiii.net. Zeta26 19:40, November 9 2006 (UTC)

finalfantasy-xiii.net
This fansite is continually being readded by anonymous users and then removed by signed-in editors. We need to come to some sort of consensus; as it is, it just looks like admins or users of that site coming over here and plugging it solely for their benefit. SynergyBlades 18:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Should the article be temporarily locked until it seems to pass? --Assassingod 19:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Possibly, but since it has been edited on and off practically since the article was created, I doubt it'll go away. SynergyBlades 10:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Just had to remove the link again, same user as before.-- Assassingod 16:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it really at 3%?
How true can that claim be? You can't even see what magazine the picture is from (could be from anywhere) and it could have just been a typo. PureLegend 19:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, it's a pretty tentative piece of information. But to be honest, for a game article where the console isn't even out yet it doesn't really matter, most of the information on the page is speculative or subject to change. It's not worth the effort to argue about the validity really, I suggest we put some weasel words in like: "This magazine states the completion to be 3%" Or something. I'd do it myself but I can't read japanese so I have no idea what the name of the magazine is. Can anyone help?Simondrake 22:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * first, it was a french site that claimed they had the numbers from a jap magazine (13%(ffxiii) and 1,3%(Versus)). Then another unknown jap magazine (think its electric shock) comes up with the numbers 3%(ffxiii) and 1%(versus). But to be honest, I think both numbers are useless. --83.109.68.227 16:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I suggest we change it to "There is some debate as to the completion of the game" then link to both sources and leave it numberless. Even if they released a press statement saying it was at 3% then it's not exactly accurate- it's three percent, what does that tell us about the release date? Next to nothing except that it'll be ages away.Simondrake 18:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * A set of IPs, presumably the same person, keeps changing it to 13%, they either can't bear to see it at 3% or think 13 is funny given the number of the game (also changing FF XIII Versus to 1.3%). Semi-protection to block non-registered edits? SynergyBlades 22:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think thats too much hassle, I've seen the same thing happen to the bodukai tenkaichi 2 page. I think it's best to just change it to something non controversial like "Differen't sources quote the completion as between 3 and 13%." Or some other way of doing it. I don't want to see Troll Warnings and Semi Protection all over a page for a game that won't be out for a long time.Simondrake 03:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Different sources do not quote the game completion as between 3 and 13%. It is 3% according to the image; 13% has been made up by this user. I've reverted it more than three times now, so we need some sort of solution; either protect the page and the vandal will get bored, and we can unlock after a while, or we remove the statements entirely in the hope they won't add them back in (and if they do it will be time for protection). SynergyBlades 22:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

If you guys weren't so retarded then you would have read where I found the 13% information, so it's completion isn't 3%. And trying to give the people correct information isn't vandalism.


 * If you weren't so rude maybe you would have given the citation and referenced it through the proper channels to prove it was correct information.Simondrake 01:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well Simon if you weren't so stupid then you would realize that every time I put that Final Fantasy Insider is the one that put the completions.


 * Again, if you weren't so rude maybe you would cite it properly and have responses that actually made sense in English. If you have verifiable information then quote the source and put it up.Simondrake 02:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection.
Since when was this page protected. Lame. It's not going to be out for a few years and it's being protected over a dodgy referance to being 3% complete. Isn't there some less extreme solution?Simondrake 18:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * um, take the entire thing down... duh... -Xornok 21:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope. I think this was the right thing to do. But it's sad that people act in such a way. But, hey its only to register. Just did it.--GHenrik 21:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's the only solution when a group of IPs continually add false information. This is an encyclopedia and, future game or not, false information being continually added is vandalism. An administrator adds semi-protection, and by extension therefore they agree. Besides, it doesn't affect you - you're logged in, you can still edit. SynergyBlades 11:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I suppose. I just find it depressing that pages need protecting at all. I think it would be best to keep an eye on that 3% section and if it seems stable remove the semi-protection.Simondrake 02:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It is disappointing, but not uncommon to something as open as Wikipedia. I didn't realise the main Crystallis article was also being altered in the same way with both game "percentages" otherwise I'd have asked for protection on that too; the link shows at least a weeks worth of the same revert war we've been putting up with here, so I'd recommend keeping an eye on that to see when/if the unregistered users give up.

Thirteenth Installment?
Do tactics, tactics advance, that one on gamecube, ffx-2, et al. not count? It's the FF with the thirteenth number assigned to it, but it is not the thirteenth installment of FF. Don't know how many other installments there are so I didn't edit it.


 * There's a full list on wikipedia somewhere. If you include the Chocobo based spin offs but don't count the remakes, compliations or films then it's 50 odd. If you do include them and all the different language versions and ports to different consoles there's probably over a hundred.
 * I think it's easier to leave it as 13th.
 * Especially since other games might come out before this one so the number would keep changing even if we could track down all the different versions.Simondrake 21:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

FFXIII is the thirteenth installment in the main series. All of the other games are spin-offs or not considered part of the main series. ffx-2 was the sequel to ffx and since each numbered Final Fantasy has comletely different storylines/characters, FFX-2 couldn't be FFXI or something else. EvilReborn 21:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Wii
Is this really coming out on the Wii or is that a mistake/vandalism? I thought it was PS3 exclusive.

It's vandalism. There has been nothing announced by Square-Enix hinting at a Wii launch. This game is almost certainly a PS3 exclusive. Kitmitsu 17:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Gunblade Revisited
The discussion above concludes that the weapon should not be described as a gunblade. Soccerguy1039 keeps changing it from the uncontroversial: "The new weapon featured in the trailer has not been named yet but it is a combination of a sword and a fire-arm." To the version the Talk Page has decided against: "The gunblade featured in the trailer."

This is clearly unnacceptable. If he objected to the descision he should discuss it on the talk page. Deliberatly adding innacurate information counts as vandalism. Locking the page will not work since he has been making the same change for months and will likely not give up that easily. What alternatives are there? I have already posted on his talk page asking him not to change it without justification but could we maybe ban him temporarily to prove that this is not going to be tollerated?Simondrake 23:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's been some disagreement over the words "has not been named yet". I'm not sure this is all that important- if it doesn't have a name, and we're not inventing our own name for it, this implies that it has no name.  Whether or not we explicitly say so seems like a pretty minor point. Friday (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yea that should just be left out of it, putting in the "has not been named" is pretty redundant since there isn't already a name in it.-- Soccerguy1039 2:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow that's even worse, it should just be left how it was, that's just getting to long and repetitive.--67.174.128.249 8:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the caption by the above poster is perfect. It doesn't over complicate it and explains clearly what the weapon is. Kitmitsu 01:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea but the only thing wrong with it is that he put the "has not been named yet" which is redundant if there isn't a name in it, which implies that there is no name for the weapon.--67.174.128.249 3:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I meant I think what you wrote is fine :P Kitmitsu 01:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind then.--67.174.128.249 8:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You guys don't know what you're talking about, it's a gun and a blade at the same time, so it's even more of a gunblade than the ones from FF8, so it should be called such until a different name has been made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emokid200618 (talk • contribs)

Its outrageous to name it a "gunblade" when you have no solid evidence that it is in fact a gunblade. The fact is that it is a combination of a sword and firearm, this does not however mean that it is a gunblade, the term gunblade refers to something very specific within this context, and by calling it a gunblade it may serve to confuse those who (reasonably) instantly associate the term gunblade with the weapon from FFVIII. To conclude, the term "gunblade" is inappropriate as it causes needless confusion. Plebmonk


 * What are you talking about? Calling it a gunblade is less confusing than what you've been putting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emokid200618 (talk • contribs)


 * It is NOT a gunblade as seen in FFVIII, so it shouldnt be labelled as such...simple enough? I would also like to remind you that you have reverted this article 4 times now, perhaps you should read Three-revert rule. Plebmonk


 * I warned Emokid200618 about the three revert rule. After being notified, he chose to continue and has been reported to the administrators.  Auburn Pilot talk 01:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * good job, was just about to do the same myself. That was getting slightly annoying...Plebmonk

What's the three revert rule?

Gunblade Wording
Because of the revert wars and what not revolving around the wording of the gunblade, I bring up the question: What should the wording for the gunblade caption be? I lean towards "The new weapon featured in the trailer appears to be a combination of a sword and a firearm," though others have suggested other wordings? I'm not going to take part in reverts until a decision is made. Anyone have a different idea? EvilReborn 22:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it should just be "The new weapon is a combination of a sword and a firearm." The appears to be isn't needed since we can tell from the trailer that it is a combination of a sword and a firearm since it was shown being wielded as both.


 * How about a new approach; "The new weapon in the trailer functions as a sword and a firearm." That seems best since it refers to what it does not what it is. We know what it does since we've just seen it in the trailer.Simondrake 15:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, Simondrake. That sounds like the best of the bunch. EvilReborn 16:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yea that does sound like a good one, either way works fine.--User:Soccerguy1039


 * Simondrakes wording sounds perfect. Though it also sounded perfect to me as it was, I dont see the need for this ultra-specific wording, though if we are going down that path, then Simondrakes idea works fine for me. Plebmonk

Or maybe we could just call it a gunblade since that's what it is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emokid200618 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, no. Even though it has a gun, and has a blade, it isn't a gunblade. The definition of a "Gunblade" in the Final Fantasy universe is extremely specific, and was determined in the FFVIII Ultimania. A Gunblade is a sword with a firing mechanism that fires a bullet into the base of the weapon's blade in order to cause a vibration. The vibration of the blade, when timed correctly with an attack, causes its cutting power to be amplified, resulting in stronger attacks.
 * A Velvet Nightmare is not a gunblade. It's a gun with an edged barrel used to parry swords in close combat. Weiss' katana-rifle-revolvers aren't gunblades, they are swords that can fire bullets, and are actually more like rifles fitted with katana-shaped bayonettes. And Lightning's gun / sword transformer isn't a gunblade. It's a sword that changes into a gun, and back again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.120.0.58 (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC).

I think that it should be left how it is right now, there's nothing wrong with it and there's no new information on the weapon so there's no reason to change it--67.174.128.249 5:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

World
I've read many different analysis' of the FFXIII trailer and I know they vary quite a bit because of the poor English voice over but some of the facts in the article I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else. It's probably true but I've not seen it mentioned that Cocoon is government controlled and the whole part about people being "cast out into the world below" I've not seen anywhere before. Can anyone get references for this section? because we need them unless its actually an account of a person who saw the trailer personally. Kitmitsu 19:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)