Talk:Final Fantasy XIII/Archive 2

PS3 Exclusivity?
Does anyone know if this is for certain a PS3 exclusive? If so this should probably have a section on here as SE making this a PS3 exclusive seems to go against their current trends. --  Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  16:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has been confirmed as a PS3 exclusive. However, I see no point in making an entire section on its exclusivity. And I don't know what trends you're referring to, but Square-Enix has a strong history of its games being exclusive for one console. EvilReborn 17:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that he means that by trends how they've recently been making older games for Gameboy and Nintendo DS Evil, but it would be a waste of space to make a section on it.--67.174.128.249
 * I'm referring to the fact that lately SE has put just about everything but FFXII on other systems. Including releasing FFXI on the xbox.  I think a small section on why the exclusivity continues for the main franchise would be warrented. --  Argash  |  talk  |  contribs  00:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nobody cares enough that it's going to be a PS3 exclusive game for an extra section to be added to the article except you.--User:Soccerguy1039
 * Actually, a very large amount of PS3 fans will find the exclusivity of this game very interesting. However, I do agree that it does not need it's own section (not because of importance or interest, but because of lack of content to go in the section).  It should be stated somewhere in the article, because it is an important fact (if we can find a reference to support it). Andrew 16:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it.--User:Soccerguy1039
 * most likely that it is exclusive mainly because Squares still own Sony one for the movie disaster bait out :P an FF to payback an FF. besides the game is so closely modelled for PS3 that porting might proof uneconomical at this stage of development. SE has other things to sell, maybe putting all the egg on the FF basket is a bad idea, having a few IP to depend on help spread risk. Akinkhoo 14:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's mostlikely a PS3 exclusive, considering that the White Engine uses up a lot of the PS3's processing power.


 * I notice that the exlusive thing is still up. I will take it down because of the lack of reputable sources. Saying that it is "under discussion" does not in anyway suggest 360 or anything, and is not encyclopedic in any way. This, along with the other points made.thomfilm

I think it's fairer and more accurate to report that the title is confirmed on PS3 and unconfirmed on XBOX 360 and Wii, we allow unconfirmed release dates on the page and console fan boy insecurities shouldn't be dictating wikipedia editing policy.Movellon 20:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Wiki policy does not allow people to report rumors as unconfirmed fact. You don't know the terms of the FFXIII-PS3 release and you're conjecturing. This is standard policy on all game release wiki pages.Stop vandalizing wiki209.183.34.49 22:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I have written up a compromise. Let's try and keep only info that is confirmed, verifiable and attributable to a Reliable Source in the info box.  But it wouldn't hurt to say that it's exclusivity isn't confirmed in the prose of the article.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  22:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

In that case I think it would be fairer to leave the release date as "TBA" rather than 2007 or 2008. This would be more consistent. Movellon 08:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's better for the article, and for the sake of the readers, to not mention these things at all, "TBA" or whatnot. There has been no word from Square Enix Japan, the real entity responsible for the game, about such things. Besides, this piece only serve to outlaw Wikipedia's policy on Attribution and Verifiability. Unless there is news on FFXIII being on 360 from Squenix, said through any game webpage like IGN, Gamespot or any other related, we can't put such information there, we never did that in our Wikiproject. Bluerです. なにか? 08:14, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that solely "TBA" is better than 2007 or 2008 which sounds like it's just a guess (which it really is). And saying "TBA" is not unattributable, it just isn't directly attributable.  We know that they are going to release the game at some point, so it's attributable that it will be released, but it hasn't been anounced yet when this will happen.  This is also a very important piece of information.  The "TBA" hallmarks the level of developement (or lack of) for the game, an important piece of information for any gamer who awaits its release.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  15:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed 2007 and 2008 from the info box and left TBA as this is more accurate and from the comment here was something that was agreed but for some reason it has reappeared. I will remove it again. 163.156.240.17 17:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, although it pains me to say, Final Fantasy XIII is NOT going to be exclusive to the PS3. It will also be featured for the 360. I guess that ends this conversastion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.6.240 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 20 April 2007
 * I'd like to point you to the section below, the most recent incarnation of this discussion. --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  19:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Tone
This article is written in too much of a speculative tone. We have to make definitive statements, because Wikipedia is neither a crystal ball, nor a place for original analysis. Blueaster 04:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? The way it's written now is fine-User:Soccerguy1039

Comment by Nobody14; moved from article page
As said from above, it does not say any official news of being moved to the Xbox 360. So until someone has a source and/or reference of about such a thing, please stop posting in Video Game sites (IGN, Gamespot, etc) if it will ported to the Xbox 360 and/or complain of such things for there is something much more important topics to discuss. --User:Nobody14
 * There was no word on XIII being on 360 to begin with. This just is mere rumors coming from fans who don't have PS3 -- but rather have a 360. Even Square Enix made no mention of FFXIII being on 360.Zeta26

Demo
Apparently a demo is due by the end of this year. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 19:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Actually, one is due by E3 '07 from what I understand. --EvilReborn 20:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

White Engine
Does anyone know enough about this gaming engine to create a separate article? It sounds deserving of one, but I don't know if it is possible right now. Secunda1 00:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It was it's own article for a while but then a banner appeared at the top of it saying it should be merged with FInal Fantasy XIII and then a few weeks later here it is. I think it should have it's own article but not yet, right now it'd be so sparse that it would just get merged back again. I think it's best to leave it where it is for now, maybe in a few nonths when more information comes out then it can be split again. Simondrake 10:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * if the engine is only going to be used by FF13 series, it is kinda unnecessary to standalone, so either it get a non FF13 game build on it or enough info about it is available to write a long article, i think it is best to stay comfy here.Akinkhoo 14:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it will be used for only FFXII... that wouldn't make sense to spend money on a huge engine like that then only use it once... but if there isn't enough information then it can't be helped.Secunda1 19:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

White Engine is no longer being used and has been replaced by UE3. I did some updates on the page. Sorry there are so many, some stuff didn't initially catch my eye. User918 23:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's just not true... That article said NOTHIGN about FF13 using UR3 engine, just that future projects would. This has been known for a while. FF13 will still use a proprietary engine. WhateverTS 09:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. It was incorrectly reported in an interview and has since been identified as an error by the editor.User918 17:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I wish I could source "my own personal knowledge", but I know that would never fly. The White Engine sits on top of UE3.  I'm not even sure if that information has escaped the hallowed halls of Square-Enix.  It's a platform-agnostic engine from the ground up.  I believe Sakaguchi (who was employed at Square-Enix at the time work on the engine began) confirmed this in a recent interview.  Sourced at the very bottom of this page, in fact. Dariakus

Now that it is confimred as going multi format should the tone of this entry be changed as it is worded to sound like it will only run on PS3 and obviously that isn't the case? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Movellon (talk • contribs) 08:18, 20 April 2007
 * You are oblivious to the fact that they were actually talking about the Fabula Nova Crystallis series being a multiplatformer, and not Final Fantasy XIII itself. Stop being an Xbox fanboy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.208.115.25 (talk • contribs) 10:11, 20 April 2007
 * get a grip mate, I own a PS3, 360, Wii, Mac and a PC. I'm a platform agnostic gamer. The article names FF13 directly as being multi platform.

Unreal Engine 3
FFXIII is not using the White Engine anymore. (http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2007/1063.html).

If anyone gets more info as to how the PS3 hardware is taking advantage of the Unreal Engine 3 middleware, feel free to suggest and update. Also, if anyone has decent knowledge of how UE3 will help FFXIII graphically, maybe it would be a good idea to give a brief overview of what it can do? When the article talks about White Engine, it has a short overview of what it's capable of. I realize this middleware and the benefits it will bring is less specific at the moment, but I'm thinking we should go into some kind of detail about the engine, generally speaking, just so we have more information other than the fact that Square-Enix is using it. What do you guys think? User918 00:05, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

They are not changing to the Unreal Engine. The original interview from here: http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/tokushu/gen/20070207/120802/index5.shtml contained a mistake which was corrected today by the editor and now all reference to FFXIII (except the screenshot) has been removed. It's true that Square-Enix will use the Unreal Engine for future games but not for FFXIII. Kitmitsu 01:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I assume you can read Japanese? User918 12:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No but Google translation is good enough. This is the message edited into the page translated: "(Editorial staff note: Because there was the expression which is not unable to cause misunderstanding to Bunchu, part we corrected contents. The apology is said to everyone of the people and the reader of the authorized personnel)". Now the interview has no mention of FFXIII being involved with the Unreal Engine. It was all just a mistake. Kitmitsu 12:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll revert back. User918 13:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Real Time Battle?
It's not real time... The link presented in the references said "real time gameplay" not "realtime battle" It's the same as the "seamless transition" they did for Final Fantasy 8, so that's nothing new. That's two misread articles. WhateverTS 09:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Breaking news: PS3 is more powerful than PS2
The game was originally planned for the PlayStation 2 but was later moved to the PlayStation 3 after the development team discovered the power of the platform.

What a discovery! Call this a hunch, but I think that the PlayStation 4 will be even more powerful! -- Ianiceboy 03:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that they mean that the PS3 has a lot.. a lot more power than what they were expecting it to have, you know like 35 times more power, so is not just that the PS3 is more powerful than the PS2, even the Wii is more powerfull than the GameCube but the difference is not the same 196.3.88.166 16:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

xbox 360 talk
I think it should be mentioned that the guy who said ff13 should come to the 360 works for a rival company now and his own 360 rpg bombed in japan with 120k sales... or the comment should just be removed altogether. The way it's presented, it only says he's the creator which makes it seem like he still works there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.99.144.224 (talk) 15:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

Xbox 360 version will be announced shortly
It has been confirmed that Final Fantasy 13 is not exclusive to the Playstation 3 as previously suggested. We know Microsoft and Square-Enix have a closer business relationship than ever before, since Microsoft is publishing the Square-Enix designed gamed called Project Silpheed for the Xbox 360. We also know Square-Enix is holding a 20th anniversary party for the Final Fantasy franchise in May of 2007, and we know that Microsoft is invited to this celebration. Do you think this is reason enough to list Final Fantasy 13 for the Xbox 360 now, or do you think we need to wait until the announcement in May arrives? Mike mgoblue 06:40, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No person in the whole world has confirmed or even officially mentioned a move to 360. Sakaguchi said he would like it on 360 but he doesn't even work for Square anymore and the Sony France President said it was "under discussion" which most likely means they're discussing keeping it as a PS3 exclusive. Kitmitsu 19:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe you can put this instead. Sony: FFXIII PS3 exclusivity under discussion Berserkerz Crit 04:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm about this!

April 12, 2007 Journalist all of you

It is "PlayStation 3", and Xbox 360™ as for Square Enix and 'Final Fantasy XIII';､It decides it the sale by the multi-platform of PC. We will inform that Square Enix Ltd. decided the development of 'Final Fantasy XIII' for "PlayStation 3" (PS3™) and Xbox 360 and PC. In 'Final Fantasy' series, player must journey which outlook the world for quest. The first work eyes are were scheduled in 1983. There to be with twelve games of role with X sequel to be. Also series has appeared with Xbox 360 system with many players. 'Final Fantasy' series is most known series of games of one, across world. Is one of titles series that represent our company that boasts of 70 million (As of January, 2007) total shipments inside and outside the country since it puts on the market. 'Final Fantasy XIII' with charm overflow enters "high definition" and game play innovating methods. Game has much looked for in all world. Now all people access game with out letting on PS3 and Xbox 360. A novel action by the most beautiful image expression and new heroes is paid to attention in the history of the series that makes the best use of the characteristic of each hardness, and user's high popularity has been being gained in the latest work 'Final Fantasy XIII' before it puts it on the market as the long line can be done. I will put this software on the market for PS3 and Xbox 360 simultaneously me. Also is game 'Final Fantasy Versus XIII' on Xbox 360 will. Game to be this untrusting just kind with not same world and newer character. Game this will let on PS3 also Xbox 360 on same day. With 'Final Fantasy XIII' and 'Final Fantasy Versus XIII' makes FABULA NOVA CRYSTALLIS Project. Our company concluded successfully greatly by having promptly worked on soft development for the next generation machine. Moreover, correspondence to the state-of-the-art hardware technology including the company's in-house development of the integrated development environment is positively done, and it improves the efficiency of development in the next generation game machine that high performance and is made multifunctional. Our company attempts the maximization of earnings by being aim at the improvement of user's customer satisfaction measurement in the future, and promoting the multi-platform strategy. Games of two I will develop for PC us with depend on series receipt. Strong users of PC on previous series, along 'Final Fantasy VII' and 'Final Fantasy XI'.

Key Development Staff ('Final Fantasy XIII') Direction: Motomu Toriyama (FINAL FANTASY VII, FINAL FANTASY X, FINAL FANTASY X-2) Design character: Tetsuya Nomura (FINAL FANTASY V~VIII, FINAL FANTASY X, FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN, KINGDOM HEARTS) Art direct: Isamu Kamikokuryo (FINAL FANTASY X, FINAL FANTASY XII) Main program: Kazumi Kobayashi (CHRONO TRIGGER, XENOGEARS, CHORONO CROSS, FINAL FANTASY XI) Directing movie: Eiji Fujii (FINAL FANTASY: The Spirits Within, FINAL FANTASY XII) Main sort: Nobuo Uematsu, SMILE PLEASE Co., LTD. (FINAL FANTASY series) Compose: Masashi Hamauzu (FINAL FANTASY X, DIRGE of CERBERUS -FINAL FANTASY VII-) Product: Yoshinori Kitase (FINAL FANTASY series)

Key Development Staff ('Final Fantasy Versus XIII') Direction & Design character: Tetsuya Nomura (FINAL FANTASY V~VIII, FINAL FANTASY X, FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN, KINGDOM HEARTS) Directing movie: Takeshi Nozue (FINAL FANTASY IX, FINAL FANTASY X, FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN, KINGDOM HEARTS) Compose: Yoko Shimomura (LEGEND OF MANA, Parasite EVE, KINGDOM HEARTS) Product: Shinji Hashimoto

【 commodity outline 】 1. Title name	Final Fantasy XIII Final Fantasy Versus XIII 2. Genre	Game of role 3. Corresponding model	･"PlayStation 3" ･Xbox 360 ･PC 4. Release date	Undecided —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.206.142.66 (talk) 11:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
 * "PSP" and "PlayStation" are registered trademarks of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc..
 * Xbox 360 is a registered trademark or a trademark in the United States and other countries of United States Microsoft Corporation.


 * 'Final Fantasy' series is most known series of games of one, across world.
 * The first work eyes are were scheduled in 1983.
 * The poor language of this text makes it unclear whether this is an excerpt or a lengthy comment.


 * If it is an excerpt:
 * This huge chunk of data contains a lot of grammatical errors and unclear setences, I seriously doubt that this text came from any kind of publication at all (reliable or otherwise)! It sounds like someone with a bad handle on the english language just made it up as they went along.  I refuse to accept this as any kind of evidence of anything unless I'm given some kind of link, website, or full citation.


 * If it is a lengthy comment:
 * It is clear that English is a second language for you, and I will not hold that against you. However, your information contains no citations, no links, nothing we can verify with.  It is a lot of information, some true, some currently unverifiable.  Unless we have some sort of reliable source to back your claims, these can only be interpreted as rumors.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  15:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I suspect it a Japanese article translated by babelfish or some sort of webpage translator to English. Poor English, not even up to my standards. Yes, it's actually suffice to give a link. Bluerです. なにか? 15:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks to me like a press release that's been automatically translated. I've seen similar things from Capcom and so on before.  I can't find it on Squeenix's site though. Tim (Xevious) 15:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Consider the first setence: "April 12, 2007 Journalist all of you It is "PlayStation 3", and Xbox 360™", I interpret this to mean "April 12, 2007, I am a journalist. To all of you, it will be released on both PS3 and Xbox 360."  Not refuting you, just mentioning that it's doubtful.  Also, with what little I know of Japanese it seems to me that none of this is compliant with Japanese grammar either (correct me if I'm wrong).  So it's doubtful to me that this is a Babelfish translation from Japanese, though it could possibly be from another language, or it could be translated from a Japanese (or other) article by a human translator with a bad grasp of English grammar.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  15:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh well, speculating is not my thing. But to read it's out for the PC as well? I must know where the poster get this from! Bluerです. なにか? 15:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It may have been true back in the days of the PS, but can a PC today realistically keep up with the performance of a PS3? --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  18:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * yes it can with DirecX10, even more so. The PS3 and 360 are much of a muchness despite what the repective fanboy 's say. The Sqaure president recently said that they "could" release it on PC and 360. I think an announcement is coming very soon. Movellon 10:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Which respective fanboy comment are you referring to? Ah, the capability of DirectX10. Now it sure looks as if FFXIII will be a multiplatform title. Awaiting for a very credible source on said news. Bluerです. なにか? 14:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Seconded. All this talk is just rumormongering.  Nothing you say matters without a credible source, which you have yet to provide.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  15:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Could we look at the possibility of getting the page locked for people who aren't registered members? Movellon 13:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, as far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as "registered members". Members of what? Wikipedia? Wikipedia is free for anyone to edit, that includes anons. So, requesting protection against anons is utter prejudice. The article does not need protection, semi- or otherwise. Bluerです. なにか? 15:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * what do other people think? Movellon 17:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What Bluerfn says pretty much sums up WP consensus. Remember, WP is supposed to be a collaborative project.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  18:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Square have now confirmed that the title will be multi-platform so I have added this to the article with references.Movellon 16:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but they have done no such thing. The reference you provide is to an unreliable PlayStation fan site that is the only site to report this apparent "news" - it would seem they misread the latest scans stating that the FNC series as a whole is not exclusive to PS3 and mobile titles announced so far (i.e there are more titles on the way for the series, for other unspecified platforms). Until SE actually do announce non-exclusivity for this precise title, and the news is on a major site like IGN or GameSpot, please do not re-add rumours and hearsay. 137.205.113.149 12:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * the site quoted is reliable and verifiable. Your opinion isn't. Movellon 12:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, if there was such a thing, the Japanese gaming media would have been on it by now. So far, there's no report from Japan about such things! You're quoting from an English website, but did you present any news from Japan? We'd like to see Square Enix confirming this news, not some out-of-nowhere gaming website that can't even quote the REAL source of this news! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.169.245 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 20 April 2007
 * It is a fact that PS3.Net have reported that Square have annouced that it is going multi-platform, stop vandalising Wiki and get over it., oh and sign your posts pleaseMovellon 13:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh you quote from oonly one source. Get quotes from other sources. That is not enough to verify it, fanboy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.161.64 (talk • contribs) 13:40, 20 April 2007
 * how old are you? How many other facts on this page have only one reference. I love this assumption that I am a fan boy when I own a PS3, 360, Wii, Mac and PC. Grow up and discuss the issues in here like an adult. Stop vandalising wiki please and stick to verifiable facts.Movellon 13:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

There has been a serious breach of CIVILITY here. Both of you, calm down. "Fanboy"? "Grow up"? Both of you stop insulting each other, this is an academic environment, keep it that way. 219.95.161.64, we are not in Japan, it is reasonable to assume that it is more difficult for us to attain a Japanese source than it is to attain an english source. Even if it's a Japanese game & company, an english source serves our purposes just as well, and only one source is required because it reasonable to assume that if one source can be found, then multiple can. The only time when multiple are required is when the information is controversial or contrary to other sources.

Movellon, You're not entirely right either. Telling him to grow up? I should invite you to read WP:BITE and WP:FAITH, both of which you have violated. You should remember these rules before you decide to wrongfully accuse someone of vandalizing, when they clearly have no malice in their edits. And if your source is contested, it wouldn't hurt to get more sources. Besides, 137.205.113.149 does have a valid point, your source is from a fansite, and that hardly satisfies WP:RS. Perhaps you should find a RS for your information. Otherwise, this can be easily chalked up to a rumor or heresay, and I know you want to include the information. So direct your attention to finding either official announcements or RS's that cite official announcements. Fansites citing official announcements are dubious if no one else aknowleges the official announcement. --&mdash; Δαίδαλος Σ  Σ  16:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It had turned to an edit war. I reported Movellon, since he breached the 3RR. Poor guy, he was defending the source alone. But seriously, it had become a some-what controversial issue, since there's hardly more than one source attributable. Maybe in time there will be, but it seems not verifiable, for now. Well, this is an unreleased game, I understand. Rumour mills are filling right about now. &mdash; Bluerです. なにか? 16:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Well the square enix party came and went and you know what? There was no such announcement of final fantasy 13 being ported to the xbox360. No announcement whatsoever. The final fantasy trailers rolled by and the words "FOR PS3" still remained. Thats what you get for talking so damn much mikey boy.
 * While your comment is valuable to the discussion, please refrain from making personal attacks as that is only disruptive to the discussion and elevates wikistress. Remeber people, be WP:CIVIL and don't be a WP:DICK.  --&mdash; Δαίδαλος  Σ  Σ  16:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)