Talk:Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker

Notability Guidelines
While I understand that there is not much information on Endwalker currently, and that articles for expansion are usually written sometime after said expansion's release, but I feel like it'd be easier to stay on top of all the forthcoming information and keep it updated rather than trying to go back and do so after the fact. I also checked the notability guidelines and this does seem to pass it.NightFire19 (talk) 14:01, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It's actually a bad idea in practice to "stay on top of" pre-release information for a subject because you end up with a series of one-sentence additions that read like low-context speculative information and it all has to get deleted to be re-created as a holistic overview of the subject after release. The subject is notable, but from a content-writing perspective it's better to keep the expected gameplay changes at the parent article and only create this article once it's out and everything is known. -- Pres N  22:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I see, how would something like Final Fantasy XVI be treated then? There's similarly not that much information out on the game currently.NightFire19 (talk) 14:01, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I gotta agree with NightFire19. There's a certain commitment to maintaining the encyclopedia as a repertoire of topical information that I think should be honored. | Be bold, and all that. Prince Duke Electorate (talk) 07:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Excessive Detail Template
So...I've read the "how to" guide, and it's vague as hell, which I know is for the best, but it doesn't actually give meaningful information. I've already cut down the summary section by more than half, and have struggled to find more ways to elide detail without creating confusion. There's several bits of context that are required for the overall through-line to make sense, particularly because this is the conclusion to eight years' worth of storytelling.

As it stands, the summary is at (approximately) 950 words. Removing a further 250 words would be very difficult without dropping necessary context. At what point can we say the summary is of appropriate length? By comparison, the Endwalker summary is now 200 words shorter than that of Shadowbringers, which does not have the "excessive detail" template. EzekielRaiden (talk) 06:52, 21 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Replying to myself here, but I've managed to get the summary down to less than 850 words, and I really don't think I can do any better than that. Since (a) this talk page hasn't gotten any action in months, (b) this is already hundreds of words shorter than when the template was added, and (c) other FFXIV articles have longer summaries without the template, I'm removing it. EzekielRaiden (talk) 06:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Replying to myself again because it's probably needed. Guys, we need to stop repeatedly embellishing the summary section. It's good that we're updating the post-release patch content. But with the successive edits to the Summary section, it is now almost exactly the same length as it was before I trimmed it back in November. I know that being accurate is important, but we have to show some restraint here. The 700-word limit is arbitrary and should be broken when it's warranted, but ballooning up to almost 1200 words is a clear sign we need to cut back again. EzekielRaiden (talk) 08:33, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Golbez's identity
So I'm not going to change it or anything right now, but I'm pretty sure Golbez here is going to be a case of being an entirely seperate character from their Final Fantasy IV iteration, compared to Gilgamesh (Final Fantasy) (who's usually explicitly said to be the same character between installments). Although it's obviously meant to be a reference to Golbez from IV, it might be a bit better to remove the link because it implies they're the same character rather then a recurring element. Noilaedi (talk) 19:54, 2 October 2022 (UTC)