Talk:Finland Station

Old talk
Re FINLAND STATION. Well, that was about time. I have always wondered how long it would take Wikipedia to give it the right name. So what if it is called Finland Station in all history books. So what if this term has come to mean much more in the English language than a Russian railway station. Lenin didn't arrive in St. Petersburg, Florida, after all. He arrived in St. Petersburg, Russia. So it is only right if we call the station by its true Russian name: Finlyandsky Rail Terminal.--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 09:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually вокзал means railway station, however it does imply a large railway station. "Finland Rail Terminal" hardly trips off the tongue, and isn't the name that the majority of the English speaking world know it by.


 * See Naming conventions (common names) and Naming conventions (use English). Finland Station is the well-established name for this place in English.  Finlyandsky Rail Terminal is just a half-translation, half-transliteration of the Russian name.  --Reuben 21:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a rail terminal, and its name is "Findlyandsky". We translated the word describing what it is, and romanized the proper name.  Same thing would be done for any street, square, lake, river, and so on.  So, what seems to be the problem?  I also made a genuine effort to find what variant is more common, and I couldn't find the "Finland rail terminal" used much anywhere in the English language texts.  Could you elaborate as to why you got the impression that it's a "common name"?  Google, for example, returns only nine occurences of this variant, all of which seem to be related to Wikipedia one way or another.  Thanks.&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't say that "Finland rail terminal" is a common name, but Finland Station, which is well established in English. Have you ever come across "Finlyandsky Rail Terminal" in English, apart from Wikipedia and derivatives?  The first commenter above puts it pretty succinctly: "So what if it is called Finland Station in all history books[?]"  If it really is called Finland Station in all the (English language) history books, that's what the article should be called.  Anyway, it doesn't make much difference since there are redirects and alternate versions in the intro.  I'm perfectly content to leave it at a comment, and move on (that is, move on myself, not move the page!).  --Reuben 22:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see you point. I wasn't the one who named it "rail terminal", however; I merely investigated the usage of the proper name and found that both "Finland" and "Finlyandsky" are used in English texts.  My guess is that we called it a "terminal" because this term better describes its nature (an end point of a railroad); as well as to make the naming consistent with all other terminals in Russia.  I don't know how much of a problem it is going to be as the redirects do a good job pointing readers to this article.&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * "Finland Station" -wikipedia gets 47,000 hits on Google, "Finlyandsky" -wikipedia only gets 8,040. (This includes all uses of "Finlyandsky", including Finlyandsky Prospekt (St. Petersburg) etc.) -- Petri Krohn 05:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Low numbers like this only confirm that there really is no one "commonly used name". Both variants seem to be acceptable.  Also note that the majority of "Finland Station" references are found in historical texts (usually related to Lenin), and the article is supposed to be about the rail terminal as a whole, not just about one certain period of its history.  Is the modern terminal still predominantly called "Finland Station" in English?  It's also important to consider that for some other rail terminals listed in the navbox at the bottom of this article the ratios [of usage of "English" vs. "romanized" name] are reversed or equal.  In situations like this we might just as well be consistent and use single naming scheme for all covered cases.&mdash;Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That's because Lenin's arrival at the station is surely by far the most important event from a world point of view in the history of the station, and therefore the reason it is usually mentioned mentioned in English-language works. Let's move this page to the name it is known as in English: Finland Station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 (talk) 20:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Ownership?
Who was the owner of the station, Finnish State Railways or Russian Railways? -- Petri Krohn 20:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Navigation boxes
Please add navigation boxes for Russian railways similar to the one I just added for Finnish railways. J I P | Talk 08:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 09:38, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Finlandsky Rail Terminal → Finland Station – As per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:USEENGLISH. The article was originally at this name, and was then moved unilaterally to Finland Rail Terminal, then Finlyandsky Rail Terminal, and now Finlandsky Rail Terminal. And yet it is by far best known in English as "Finland Station", not least because of its role in the Russian Revolution as Lenin's point of arrival and Edmund Wilson's book To the Finland Station. "Finland Station" is attested to by, among others, Time magazine, Britannica , the Rough Guide , and Lonely Planet. Pro hib it O ni o ns (T) 18:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Strongly support. It should simply have been moved back; the argument against appears to amount to an unproven claim that the only way to deal with Russian names is to transliterate them. To say nothing of Saint Petersburg itself, we use Red Square, not Krasnaya Plashchad. (And since there is a through train, this is not actually a terminal.) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, as per the above posters. The English name is well known, and used in both historical and modern contexts. (E.g by in Lonely Planet, in Fodor's travel guide, in DK Eyewitness Travel Guide: St. Petersburg, or by Alstom). (At the same time other translations exist as well: Finlandski station on Seat61.com). -- Vmenkov (talk) 19:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Strongly support for the reasons given above. And please restore other articles about Russian railway stations to their original names (before an ill-advised Russification campaign was launched). --Ghirla-трёп- 20:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. Unlike most other Russian railway stations, this one has a name under which it is commonly known in English.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 25, 2011; 15:11 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

high speed (Allegro) train numbers
I don't think the train numbers indicated are correct. Allegro runs many trains, including the 30, 33, 34, 37, 38, 39, 151, 153, 155, 157... You can find the full list at http://www.vr.fi/en/index/matkakohteet/venaja_7/allegro.html --Rakerman (talk) 14:24, 7 September 2012 (UTC)