Talk:Finlandia

Infobox usage and editing on Sibelius tone poems
Hello, fellow Sibelian and welcome to the wonderful world of the Sibelius tone poems! I am sure we are of one mind: the 13 Sibelius examples in this form represent, along with his seven symphonies and the violin concerto, the height of his orchestral powers. As such, I have taken the liberty over the last year of giving some of these tone poems (namely, The Wood Nymph and The Oceanides) the expanded treatment I think they deserve.

As part of this expansion project, I have added infoboxes onto each of the tone poem pages (save for Finlandia and  Luonnotar and two that don't yet exist, The Dryad and Pan and Echo) to assist our readers in having the most important information about each piece at their fingertips. I feel that standardization of infobox information and form is something we should strive to maintain among these pieces, and as such, I suggest that any changes be agreed to by the community. If you're interested, I have the following opinions:


 * 1) Let's keep the picture of Sibelius the same for all his compositions, so as to create the feel of 'articles in a series'
 * 2) Let's have the opening title be the name in English (unless the native title is more famous, e.g., En saga)
 * 3) Let's include 'native name' or 'English name' below the picture if the piece goes by more than one name
 * 4) Let's have the form (e.g., tone poem) appear up-top next to the composer's name
 * 5) Let's include the average duration
 * 6) Let's have the caption under the image of Sibelius be "The composer in 1913"
 * 7) Let's keep the dates of composition/revision (important for some pieces, e.g., the Fifth Symphony, consistent with List of compositions by Jean Sibelius
 * 8) Let's have each infobox include information on 'movements', even if it is only one; this provides standardization among pieces.

Okay, thanks for reading! If you are so inclined to add the infobox to the seven symphonies (or the four tone poems mentioned above) or some of his incidental music, please be my guest. My focus, for now, is on the tone poems.

Note: I have included this message on the talk pages of each of the existing tone poems that have infoboxes.

Sgvrfjs (talk) 18:23, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Press Celebrations Music relevance?
Does anyone agree that this really doesn't belong in this article? I'm inclined to at least heavily edit this to the part that only pertains to Finlandia. 2600:1700:22F0:59EF:A83A:35EA:3701:F3EA (talk) 21:22, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I think that, eventually, PCM should be its own article... but it is low on my list of things to do at the moment. As the tableaux music from which Finlandia (and the Scenes historiques I) derived, it should at least be mentioned in the article. A whole subsection probably is too much, given the length of this article at present. ~ Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 00:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Popular culture section
at present this section simply lists appearances without any context in violation of MOS:POPCULT. It's also probably WP:UNDUE. Should it be removed? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 13:37, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

And why mention the use in Die Hard 2 and ignore it's use in the original Die Hard. I usually like the Pop Culture References section but I kind of have to agree that it's just a list and not of much value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.29.176.53 (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Gone! What a useless eye-sore of a section it was. ~ Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 00:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Short description
What would an appropriate short description for this be? Qwertyxp2000 (talk &#124; contribs) 08:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Patriotic tone poem by Jean Sibelius? ~ Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 00:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)