Talk:Finsterforst

Genre of the Band
People have been editing the pages of Finsterforst albums and added the following genres: "Pagan Metal", "Melodic Black Metal", "Black Metal". First of all, the first two aren't even real music genres. "Pagan Metal" has become a term people use for folk metal with black metal-like vocals, regardless of whether the lyrical content deals with paganism or not. While actually, by its very definition, it should be used even for stuff like Thrash with pagan themes. It says so even here, on wikipedia. The only reason I didn't remove that is because it's on the band's facebook page. And whoever listened to Black Metal realizes that it is melodic enough as it is, so why would there be such a sub-genre? Subjectivity aside, this made-up sub-genre is not on wikipedia, so it shouldn't be on any page. As for Black Metal, I don't see that in Finsterforst. My problem is that people actually provided links to websites who do label those albums like that. I'm relatively new to wikipedia and I'm not sure where the line is drawn between "original research" and "common sense". If a website would list Finsterforst as a Jazz band, would it be ok to simply put that here and provide a link to the respective website? ScindoLuna (talk) 10:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Such a link would only be valid if it would pass as a "reliable source". That would generally only be published reviews by professional reviewers in an established magazine. The world at large, however, from fans to music industry professionals, rarely agree on how bands and sub-genres should be classified, so Wikipedia won't either. In the end a genre is "real" if enough people use the term and have a general agreement on what should approximately be about. My general advice would be to not worry about it too much. Just make sure some representative genres, including how the band self-describes, are included so the reader has an approximate idea of what he might be going to listen to. A single genre rarely is enough to specify where a specific band, album or song lies in the musical spectrum. —Ruud 13:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)