Talk:Fiona Ma

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This page was proposed for deletion January 2005. The discussion is archived at Votes for deletion/Fiona Ma. Joyous 02:43, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)

This page is just propaganda Cocoablini (talk). 15:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

POV/Tone
I'm concerned with the tone of the two Ma scandals listed in the article. While I don't mind using Matier and Ross as primary sources, they don't really frame Ma's side of the argument at all. While I'm not a fan of Ma's, these could use a polish. Zimbardo Cookie Experiment 13:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Campaign contributions scandal
In 2004 Ma returned campaign contributions from Ricardo Ramirez, a politically connected owner of a concrete company, after evidence emerged that Ramirez had supplied substandard, recycled concrete for several major San Francisco construction projects, including the rebuild of the Bay Bridge Eastern span. However, Ma defended Ramirez as he was indicted, saying "He's a hard-working guy, just trying to survive. He takes care of his grandkids. He doesn't have an easy life." [5]

Organized crime scandal
In 2006, Ma arranged to give convicted criminal and Tong leader Raymond Chow an award from a certificate of honor from the Board of Supervisors. Chow has been implicated in attempting to extort $100,000 from Allen Leung, who was murdered after refusing to pay. After Leung's murder, Chow took control of the Hop Sing Tong. Ma said "I don't discriminate or play favorites between family associations and respect the members and the leaders they choose."[6]

69.110.46.179 (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Her family
Does she have a husband or a boyfriend? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.145.66 (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

she does, and she has been trying to push legislation that would land his company a huge pot of money. typical of ma's dealings. when the bay bridge comes crashing down we'll know one politician to blame. but by then maybe this will have killed her: 69.110.46.179 (talk) 00:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Just removed unilaterally (with no discussion)
Badagnani (talk) 03:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * yeah, why the heck do we have kanji on AMERICAN pols anyways? she's not even immigrant chinese!
 * shall we start adding some theoretical GAELIC spelling for irish-am pols now? cyrillic for every US-born guy named ivan or boris?
 * i agree. LOSE the kanji! 209.172.25.100 (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Family?
This Wikipedia article is pretty brief and does not cover any facts of Fiona Ma's early life. Where are the parents from? What does she speak? Who is she married to? ★ Dasani ★ 03:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

90% campaign propaganda
Need to remove all the propaganda, which is about 90% of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.202.209 (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

And it's edited by a "authorized" person who removes anything negative or her ongoing legal issues. Clearly Wikipedia is just a slave to Google money and DNC. You can add things with citations and it's still removed because she is part of the wiki misinformation machine Cocoablini (talk). 15:14, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

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Legislative history
Why is this being removed? It's been there for years. Someone else posted it but it is relevant. This is the second time it has been deleted without full explanation. If you think there is repetitive material, you can delete the repetition, but not the whole thing. salmasuta salmasuta--Salmasuta (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)˜˜˜˜
 * Because the edit you are talking about was a laundry list of legislation that was: One, written as if it were from a newsletter. Two, had puff-advert-like diction like "Assemblywoman Ma had 25 bills chaptered into law." Three, a list of legislation she happened to sponsor(?) or support isn't really encyclopedic. Hope this helps. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 13:22, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Sexual Harassment suit and citations were removed by an obvious political ally or operative
This page is being monitored and edited by a clear and obvious partisan. Sources and citations of Ma involved in scandals are being removed because she wants to run for Governor I guess. Ma has been cited in lawsuits for sex harassment and forcing employees to sleep in same hotel rooms Cocoablini (talk). 15:03, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I don’t appreciate the WP:ASPERSIONS. I have been editing here for several years and am not affiliated with ANY political figures or campaigns. The material you attempted to add was removed because it was poorly-written and violated WP:UNDUE and WP:CSECTION. KidAd  •  SPEAK  17:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It was written just fine and that's not your job to give your opinions on style. It was also cited 2 times by 2 different news organizations. So you are just making stuff up and making an excuse to protect a Democratic candidate. Its didn't violate anything except the nature of the puff piece. Does the lawsuit exist? YES. Is she accused of violating many standards in business and government. YES. Is it factual yes. In fact the writing was just rewritten with different words from news articles so if you don't like the "writing' maybe you need to go to journalism school instead of trolling your politics for negative issues. Cocoablini (talk). 20:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess I violated wikipedia's puff piece rules on DNC affiliates? WP:UNDUE and WP:CSECTION is just rules made to allow immutable changes by favored contributors(big tech political allies) Cocoablini (talk). 20:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The "rules" you are referring to are community-created guidelines through collaboration to ensure information presented on Wikipedia is fair and appropriate. I've worked alongside KidAd on a ton of articles and I really don't think that they're some sort of partisan or in favor of big tech political allies... Please try to focus on the content rather than mud sling in the talk sections. KidAd presented several guidelines and policies, and rather than making a specific case as to why your inclusions do not violate those guidelines, you've instead chosen to dismiss them, possibly because Ma is a "DNC affiliate." --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you unilaterally remove cited documentation and additions because of subjectivity, then you are "warring" with contributers. You have to discuss first before removing someone else's material unless it really violated a rule, which the contribution clearly did not. This page has been cited by another party as being self-biographical and a resume-a clear violation of wikimedia policy and if not corrected should have been taken down a while ago. So why is it still here? If you are so adherent to policy, why not read some here:
 * Wikipedia is not the place to post your résumé
 * I love to hear the excuse for this, besides making stuff up Cocoablini (talk). 22:51, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Removing cited content is not considered warring on Wikipedia. I have personally removed lots of content from Ma's article (see the edit history). KidAd has also removed resume content from the article. So... not sure where you're going with that argument. Secondly, they suggested that your edits were in violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:CSECTION, and I would agree with that; with that I'd disagree with your own assessment that your edits clearly did not violate a rule. They are participating in this discussion, while you are making personal judgements and attacks on other users. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 14:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * How is this a violation of WP:UNDUE...the entire entry is a resumé and should have been deleted a long time ago. So if anything there is a bias with somebody writing and editing who clearly has a connection with the political figure. No wonder Wikipedia is considered a joke Cocoablini (talk). 21:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The same thing happened to me. I have never edited Wikipedia before, so I'm not familiar with this world. But I have yet to see anything suggesting my additions about the allegations against Ma violated any rules. I actually made the addition because I was looking at her page for a recap of the allegations and thought it was strange they were not mentioned, which is a disservice to Wikipedia users like myself. My addition was deleted by the same editor, KidAd, with just the explanation "not going to happen," which is not a very encyclopedic explanation. It was also flagged for potential vandalism, but what I wrote was was factual, well-sourced and common information one might find on a politician's Wikipedia page. I thought it was written impartially, but I'm open to any concerns about the voice. Wjax71 (talk) 00:30, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I've replaced these referenced allegations, which seem to be adequately relevant to the subject and their career. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Chinese name, infobox
Wondering if there is any true utility concerning the spelling of Ma's name in Chinese in the infobox, and the simplified/traditional Chinese versions of her name. In the article, "Chinese" is only mentioned twice, once when describing her lineage, and once which names the specific organization she spoke to. I haven't seen this style added to American political BLPs before. I just don't see the utility here. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:56, 5 October 2022 (UTC)