Talk:Fiorello!

Category
Edit summarized as just because the play's about NYC doesn't mean it belongs in Category:New York City. Huh? Just because it's about that topic doesn't mean it belongs in the category? I don't understand the rationale. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC) But it's not just set in the city. This is about New York in the period roughly 1912-1935 like Tale of Two Cities is about the French Revolution. I don't care enough to fight you on this over the particular article, but are you saying that no works of fiction ever belong in Category:New York City? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The article is about a work of fiction set in the city, it's not actually about the city itself. If we put every work  in List of plays and musicals set in New York City in a subcategory of Category:New York City in popular culture, that would be one thing (though that category might be CfD'd by someone), but this stuff certainly doesn't belong directly in Category:New York City.--Pharos 01:21, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * If you really consider this seminal enough to put it straight in Category:New York City in popular culture, then OK, but I don't think we need to crowd up the parent category any more.--Pharos 05:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Category:New York City in popular culture it is. I don't know about "seminal", but it ran two years on Broadway and won a Pulitzer. Musicals rarely win Pulitzers, I think there have been seven in history. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Citable source sought
I have it from one of the members of the original cast that both "The Bum Won" and "Little Tin Box" were written while the original production was being worked up, and that one excellent song for Marie in Act I was cut because it didn't fit the dramatic flow. I'd like to get something about that into the article, but, obviously, hearing something orally isn't citable. Does anyone have a suggestion where I might find a citable source for this? -- Jmabel | Talk 21:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

See. Liz Callaway sings "Where Do I Go from Here" which was cut out of town, on the 1st Lost In Boston album on Varese Sarabande. The song was included in the published Vocal Selections From "Fiorello!" and is sometimes restored in modern productions. "The Name's La Guardia", "'Til Tomorrow" and "Unfair" were written "on spec" before Bock and Harnick were hired for the show. I suppose that's one step up in the "citable" scale from oral.... - Nunh-huh 05:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll try to get that into the article, or anyone else is welcome to. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Done. Still need a source for "the Bum Won" being added on the road. - Jmabel | Talk 23:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Good show!
Based on the soundtrack and what I've heard about it, this was a really great show and a lot better than so much of what gets produced nowadays, some of which is quite successful. Have there been any serious attempts to mount a revival of Fiorello!, and if so were any of them major enough to merit mention in the article? Rlquall 01:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard of anything major. I had the pleasure of seeing a semi-staged, very well-performed production by the Showtunes! Theatre Company in Kirkland, Washington, a Seattle suburb, about a year ago. Here's a review by someone I gather didn't like it as much as I did. Probably not notable enough to merit mention in an encyclopedia, but a worthy small company. They do two or three productions a year, usually of good but little-known musicals. - Jmabel | Talk 06:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Ellen Hanley
"…played by Ellen Hanley" means in what production? And is there a citation for this? - Jmabel | Talk 17:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ellen Hanley played Thea in the original production of Fiorello! - cited at her page on the Internet Broadway database and the play's page on the same database . It was the role that she was most well known for. I've add the second link as a citation on the article page. Madmedea 19:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Awards and nominations section
In the body of the article (not the infobox), the Musical Theatre structure guidelines--WP:WPMT, section on "Awards" -- state:
 * "This section should contain a list of awards and what they were for. Unlike the awards section of the infobox, production specific awards (i.e. those given to actors/actresses in this musical) can be listed here. If this list becomes too long, it may be shortened to the more notable awards. Also, if the only awards that belong in this section are also listed in the infobox, this section need not exist. If there are only one or two notable awards, they could be mentioned in the description of the relevant productions."

Therefore, I am restoring the awards/nominations I had previously entered.

Having worked on quite a few Musical theatre articles, I have seen none where only "Non-performance awards" are permitted in this section--is this new? Should editors wish to change the guidelines for this section, let's bring it up on the Musical Theatre disussion page. Meanwhile, I'll stay with those accepted guidelines. Thanks, JeanColumbia (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)