Talk:Fire-stick farming

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T.F. (Tim) Flannery
from Tim Flannery: In 1994, Flannery published The Future Eaters: an Ecological History of the Australasian Lands and People, and provides a sweeping glimpse of land, flora, fauna and people of the long past up to the present. Anyway, it's obvious that this is the same Flannery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.30.61.12 (talk) 11:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Neutrality
This article has been created solely to promote the opinions of Flannery & Jones as part of the history wars. The article uses generalisations to combine over 300+ unique cultures into one group and carries just one single line rebuttal that is dismissed and marginalised by the terminology being used "suggests". The article itself has no explanation to how the practice is performed, under what conditions its performed, nor the purpose of such use nor the types of fires being used. Gnangarra 10:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

This article is useless! (for learning about Cultural burning or Cold Fire)
Strong words, but that was my reaction after I came to Wikipedia looking for related information and failed to find it.

Having read this article: ABC News: Indigenous fire methods protect land before and after the Tathra bushfire (Sept 2018) I wanted to know how the process of 'cultural burning' actually worked, as it is not clear from the video on that page. A WP search led me to this article, which seems to cover the ancient history of an extinction event, but says practically nothing about the procedure which is still carried out to this day

The ABC News article also uses the term 'cold fire', and it wasn't until I started hunting through the talk pages that I realised this was actually covered in a separate article on WP, but still inadequately (Cold fire (Noongar fire type)).

Cultural burning has been created as a link to this page since I did my search two days ago.

Can I please ask the people who have been discussing sources to at least have a first go at making this article usable. I wanted to find out how cultural burning works, and how it relates to management of the bush fires currently raging in Australia.

Incidentally, the article does not explain what a 'fire stick' is, nor how it is used for farming. That needs addressing urgently.

EdJogg (talk) 22:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC) --  (Please send a message via talk page if response needed, since I am not active at WP very often.) 


 * I have now started. Aoziwe (talk) 02:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite in progress
This is a major task. There is so much wrong with the current article it is a WP:TNT.

I am doing the work offwiki. Aoziwe (talk) 03:04, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for tackling this. I did wonder as I skimmed it in passing, but having recently taken on a task which is beginning to feel as if it could last me for the rest of my life, I couldn't afford yet another diversion. I'm glad to see it getting done though! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:03, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * A BBC news link in case you want to use or follow up on any of it. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The good problem I have is that there is so much to wade through!  Aoziwe (talk) 11:12, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I know that you said you have lots, but, if not on your list, if you can get access to a copy of (archaologist) Billy Griffiths' book Deep Time Dreaming, chapter 9 has a good overview, mention of others' insights and finding, etc. I just got to this chapter last night (and I can recommend the rest of the book too, although not about fire!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Rabbit-proof fence
The article currently states: Cultural burnings were slowly eradicated after Britain colonised Australia from 1788 onwards. (that's the entire paragraph) and I think it would be good to detail what good reasons and what fallacious reasons those peoples erecting fences and enforcing laws had for this influence; to what extent it was intentional and to what extent it was a side-effect of inevitable cultural clash and contemporary contempt based on prejudices. 49.180.236.252 (talk) 02:46, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

International examples
(edit to change title from US to international)

I note there is already one USA example in the “Further reading”section: Seminole Tribe of Florida Using Water and Fire to Restore Landscapes While Training Wildland Firefighters. Here is another NPR article re California To Manage Wildfire, California Looks To What Tribes Have Known All Along. David Woodward (talk) 03:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC) Further references parked:
 * Nature Conservancy list of references, Indigenous Peoples Burn Network
 * Botswana Australians helping to revive traditional Botsawnan techniques
 * NPR Northern Cali tribes
 * The GuardianNorthern Cali: hazel stalks & bear grass for weaving, acorns, water management, huckleberries, attract and hunt elk, pepperwood & wormwood for medicine, salmon habitat, clearing pine and blackberries to meadows, wormwood torches, Yurok tribe, Karuk tribe
 * Nature Conservancy similar to Guardian article above, hazel for weaving, Hoopa Tribe, Karuk tribe, Yurok tribe, acorns, salmon lifecycle, TREX training program, Indigenous Peoples Burning Network (IPBN) including New Mexico, Minnesota, Oregon. David Woodward (talk) 05:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A more relevant article for cultural burning as practiced by the Indigenous peoples of North America is Native American use of fire in ecosystems. The practice in Botswana should probably be covered by a third article that we don't yet have. Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 06:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)