Talk:Fire Emblem Heroes

Source
New, in-depth source by IGN - http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/01/31/fire-emblem-heroes-isnat-a-mobile-knock-off Sergecross73   msg me  13:46, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

List of Characters?
Just as the title implies, will there eventually be a list of characters here with the date that the said character was added to the roster and the game(s) in which they originated from? Just curious. If the answer is yes, then I guess I start compiling information to put into the table. UtopianPoyzin (talk) 13:59, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * In my personal opinion, it'd be fine, but I suspect it wouldn't fly. As a warning, in general such lists tend to attract skepticism when they're longer than a vanilla movie cast list, especially since the various other FE character articles have also been redirected.  A list of 200+ characters, most of whom are way less notable than the equivalent in Characters in the Super Smash Bros. series, would probably get complaints and be deleted, so I'd say it's probably not worth your time, alas.  SnowFire (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Ugh, no. Leave that to the Wikias and fan sites. The characters that originate from this game such as Fjorm are already mentioned in the article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Matching voice actors to characters
The voice actors for this game are credited on the individual cards. This leads to a lot of cite video game where we have to trust that whoever posted the information is right, or play the game itself. Not that many screenshots of the cards w/VA on the net, although those are helpful like this reddit from the crew at Critical Role. There are a few articles with voice actors and names,   and then there's this list maintained by Perfectly Nintendo   Would the Perfectly Nintendo list be good enough to use as a source? AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:00, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * While Siliconera is considered a reliable source, Reddit and Perfectly Nintendo are not, and cast lists in game articles are considered WP:GAMECRUFT anyway, for the most part. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 18:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm just checking more for how to verify their roles in filmographies. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * In that case, the Siliconera link should be serviceable. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 18:22, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

As an update to this, Behind The Voice Actors has now posted many of the screen captures of the cards with the voice actor names, so please use this or the voice actor's BTVA page to reference Fire Emblem Heroes in their filmography. Only ones that are checkmarked can be used though. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:06, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Recent changes
, re your edits: Metacritic does not, in general, feature many retrospective reviews. It's quite rare. See http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/league-of-legends for example, it's links to 2009-era reviews like http://www.rpgamer.com/games/other/pc/lol/reviews/lolstrev1.html that might as well be describing a different game. The reason that phrasing is common is that it's fine for games that are largely static, but I think that for games that change a lot with patches, the phrasing should clearly be different, at least if secondary sources are found on the evolution of a game (i.e. not primary source patch notes). https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/30/16226118/nintendo-fire-emblem-heroes-interview-iphone-android is a good example:
 * Unlike a typical Fire Emblem release on a platform like the Nintendo 3DS, a mobile title like Heroes is an ongoing project. That’s been a new experience for a studio like Intelligent, which got its start on the original NES and Famicom. “Think of a normal Fire Emblem game as kind of being like a movie: you have a plan, you develop a script for it, and you know where it starts and where it ends,” Matsushita explains. “But Fire Emblem Heroes is kind of more like a TV series. Of course you have a vision at the beginning, but then you start getting some feedback, and based on that the TV series — or in this case game — can just keep getting better and better, because you’re reacting to the feedback from the players.”

Re expanding at least one template: If templates aren't expanded, you might as well not even include them. Very very few actual readers click the "show" button. The reason that "autocollapse" was added was because people were jamming 8 templates into a single article and it was ridiculous, but the better fix is to not include 8 templates to begin with. In general, if all templates start collapsed, you might as well have 0 templates. Pick the best one and auto-expand it, IMO; if it isn't relevant enough to be expanded, why are you adding it to begin with? Maybe just remove it instead. SnowFire (talk) 22:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

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Piped links
- This is common sense, but if you REALLY want, we can take this up at NOPIPE. (And... the fact that you think a redirect would fix the problem should say everything; if this is true, then NOPIPE doesn't apply.)  A piped link should be as short as possible but no shorter. Leaving "President" off "George Washington" doesn't change the sense of a sentence. Linking "Google Play" but not "japan" when "Google Play Japan" is what gave the award IS misleading, because other mobile games won game-of-the-year in other regions - see https://play.google.com/store/apps/topic?id=campaign_editorial_3002d1a_games_bestgame_bestof2017&hl=en for example. Simple as that. Best to link the whole giver to make clear it's one thought, not say "Google Play (in general) gave an award to FE Heroes in Japan." SnowFire (talk) 00:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Gambling Game
Along with the "Free-to-play," "tactical," and "roleplaying" game subgenres, the "gambling" subgenre needs added.GermanTacos (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not a gambling game, nor is free-to-play a genre. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 10:01, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Protected?
Just curious, does anyone know why this page is protected? Seems to be the only page I've come across that I can't edit thus far... :/ --Bchill53 (talk) 22:45, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Because of constant page blanking a few months ago. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:46, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Sad to hear. I've seen protected pages that I could edit before, but this one in particular must be above my pay-grade. --Bchill53 (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Just checked and yeah, looks like it has a higher tier of protection to prevent sockpuppets from vandalizing it (which was the issue it faced). In that case, you could simply request edits to be made and I or somebody else will do them. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. It was incredibly minor so I didn't want to bug you for it. I was able to edit it now, so all is well. :) --Bchill53 (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)


 * (just happened to stumble upon this), you can edit the page now because you've been updated to an extended confirmed user JOE BRO  64  17:51, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! I think I happened to just get upgraded because of the large amount of minor edits I made yesterday haha. Not actively trying to cheat the system, but I'll take it! :) --Bchill53 (talk) 17:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

New (temporary?) subscription model
During this month's FEH Channel they mentioned (among other things) that the game would be (planning to) add a subscription to the game. I've found a few sources mentioning this, but am not sure where to mention it in the article or how to mention it. Sak ura Cart elet Talk 15:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)


 * , you could add it to the Development section, since it talks about features being added there. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Rewrites
I am very confused as to why the user SnowFire is reverting my edits, claiming the rewrites sound worse than the original. It’s more formal, more clear, and more professional while not compromising any of the existing information. Heck, one of the images was in the wrong section before I came in. DatAlphaLion (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm trying not to be exclusionary here, everyone is welcome to help out, but... your writing is not good, and you need to recognize this (as User:Sergecross73 pointed out some of these issues before).  Your attempts to help out with rewriting are not actually improving things.  Further, I am not your personal writing coach.  You have good taste in games judging by your history, at least!  But I would politely suggest working on something, anything, other than phrasing.  Or if you do want to write prose, to do so on a fresh unwritten article or section rather than revising existing prose.  I'll humor you and explain some of the issues in a detailed close reading, but just to be clear, this is not an exhaustive list of problems.


 * " It is a mobile spin-off " - This is an WP:EASTER easter egg link. It looks like it's linking just "mobile" so readers will think it's a link to phones in general.  And "mobile game" isn't a very useful link anyway - we can be more specific.
 * " features the largest roster in series history " - Who cares? Do people play games based off size of roster?  It's not something reliable sources consider important when talking about the game, and it's true of nearly any crossover game in a franchise anyway.
 * The image is placed where it is intentionally. Please read MOS:SANDWICH.  "Mul­ti­ple im­ages can be stag­gered right and left. How­ever, a­void sand­wich­ing text be­tween two im­ages that face each oth­er; or be­tween an im­age and in­fo­box, nav­i­ga­tion tem­plate, or sim­i­lar. "  If the image was stuck in the Gameplay section, it would be "sandwiching" the text between the image and the infobox.  This is to be avoided.
 * " A sample map in Fire Emblem Heroes " - Captions need to be succinct. Referring to the game in short form as just Heroes is fine because the context is obvious, just as Fates can refer to Fire Emblem Fates within its own article.  This is not a big deal, but if there's any place for abbreviation, it'd be in an already-long caption.  You seem to think that not-abbreviating this as "Heroes" is more "formal", but this is just wrong - it's fine to talk about Rhode Island, not Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (the "full" name of the state).
 * " Flying units can enter most tiles, even ones impassable to all other units such as water or mountains, but are especially weak to arrows " - The topic of this sentence and the previous sentence is how movement works in the game. The fact that certain units are advantaged over other units in combat is discussed elsewhere.
 * " coming in red, blue, green, and grey varieties " - First, this is a little too much detail IMO (Wikipedia is not a game guide), but even if we did talk about this, it's called "colorless" in game, not grey.
 * " any and all attacks will never miss their target " - This is slangy and magazine-y. More generally, why would a casual reader assume this was an issue to begin with?  Articles are written for a general audience.  This isn't something that reviews of the game even talk about in too much detail.
 * " AI " Please read MOS:OVERLINK. There's no need to link every single word, especially when they're common and well-known, and the article on artificial intelligence in general isn't very germane here anyway.
 * " Most missions cost Stamina to play, which is gradually recovered over time; the exact cost of missions and maximum of Stamina " - Why are you capitalizing stamina? (And orbs, and heroes.)  This is overcapitalization for emphasis.
 * " which have their own star ranking that denotes their rarity, with one star being the lowest and five being the highest " - WP:GAMEGUIDE levels of detail. Just say some heroes are common and some are rare.  (Besides, this isn't quite right anyway - stars denote power, not rarity.  There are five-star heroes that every account gets for free like Fjorm.)
 * " By September 2021, the game featured roughly 700 unique Heroes. " - Please read WP:CRYSTALBALL. How are you talking about the future in the past tense?
 * " unfolds in episodic Books divided into chapters, with more being added over time " "with more being added over time" is already established elsewhere in detail that the app has changed. And while you can talk about "Book II", books in general are uncapitalized - "The play King Lear is divided into five acts", not "five Acts".
 * " her brother Prince Bruno " - It is generally safe to assume that Princes and Princesses are siblings and not spell this out.
 * " resemble those of Ask and Embla " - No, they're the same, not merely resembling. Read the linked article.  "Askr" is just the Norse spelling.
 * " Fire Emblem Heroes was first announced in April 2016 " - A game can only be announced once! Barring something crazy like cancelling it then announcing it was good to go.  So "first" is totally unneeded.
 * " characters from the entire series to be featured as special variants in the game. " - Why are you adding the word "entire"? First, it's not entirely correct, the first CYL excluded some spinoffs.  Second, even if it was true, it's unneeded wordcruft.
 * " Development and Release " - Why are you combining these sections? They shouldn't be combined and the default WP:VG article structure generally keeps them separate without a good reason.
 * " third mobile game " - Once more with needlessly linking "mobile game". MOS:OVERLINK again, one link in the article should be sufficient and I presume it was already linked.
 * " making it Nintendo's highest-grossing mobile game ever released " - More wordcruft to add "ever released". I'm pretty sure FEH beat out Nintendo's unreleased mobile games too, by dint of them producing zero revenue!
 * In fairness, good catch on italicizing IGN per MOS:T. That's a good change, but with so many bad changes, it's hard to spend time trying to find the actually useful changes. SnowFire (talk) 19:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've told this editor many times before, that their rewordings were, at best, a neutral change, and at worst, considerably worse. As I've mentioned before, theyve got to stop tinkering with these well-developed and GA standard articles. It not helping, and it's getting disruptive when it needs to be addressed and/or fixed over and over again. Sergecross73   msg me  20:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)