Talk:Fire basket

Merge from Fire basket (heraldry)
I'm not sure why the two need to be separate articles – they are different on the wikis they were translated from, sure, but the heraldry article doesn't seem to discuss more than the use of the main article's subject in heraldry, and it doesn't appear to need more than a section to be coverage at the main. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 00:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. --evrik (talk) 01:10, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Reviewing sources
Taking a look to verify content:


 * During the Middle Ages fire baskets filled with sulfur were used to repel the Black Death. does not appear to be supported by reference. The article makes a distinction between the public burning of sulfur and "For the wealthy, the burning of incense in large braisers was a luxurious form of fumigation."
 * In addition to its lighting and heating functions, fire baskets have a wide variety of uses. Before document shredders, the fire basket was widely used to burn secret documents, and is not supported the source. It is a guide to purchasing a fire basket for your garden.
 * fire baskets are most often found in a garden for heat and light. is not exactly supported by the reference. The article is a guide to purchasing a fire basket. It does not seem to make a statement on how they are most often used, but rather how you can and should use them.
 * The beacon atop the Altenburg castle in Bamberg served to communication with the neighboring Giechburg castle. "How to find the right fire bowl for your garden" does not appear to mention Alternburg castle in Bamberg
 * Skagen's Lever Light in Skagen: from 1627 to 1747 fire baskets were raised with a lever arm Is not cited. The 1747 date does not appear in the body text. Is 1627 a typo or referring somehow to 1624 date in the body? That date is not supported by its source so far as I can tell.
 * Historically, fire baskets were used in lighthouses, such as Skagen's White Lighthouse Not supported by this machine translation, but maybe "boiler" from "fyrpande" is an error: The lighthouse is built of red brick, but was whitewashed in the early 1800s. The light source was coal-based in a boiler at the top of the tower. The coal was hoisted up via an internal shaft. In 1835, the lighthouse was fitted with parabolic mirrors, and the coals were replaced by rapeseed oil.
 * as the beacon. Verified. A few bits from here that verify stuff not clearly cited to this source include:
 * Skagen in photos: (Photo from the Egbert Koch collection) Brazier Fire Basket at the Skagen ‘Hvide Fyr’ Light. (ca. 1700) and (Photo from the Egbert Koch collection) The Vippefyr at Skagen Denmark.  (ca. 1624)


 * In the 16th century, Frederick II ordered the erection of beacons at Skagen, Anholt and Kullen Lighthouse to mark the main route through Danish waters from the North Sea to the Baltic. See below:
 * [...] In 1560 [...] Frederik II ordered the erection of bascule lights at Skagen, Anholt and Kullen to mark the main route through Danish waters from the North Sea to the Baltic.
 * These "bascule lights" or "tipping lanterns" (Danish:vippefyr) were fire baskets hung from a bascule. In Skagen, the current vippefyr is a reproduction of the original, which dates back to 1626.
 * "bascule lights" is in quotes but does not appear in the book so far as I can tell,
 * "tipping lanterns" is the same,
 * "vippefyr" does appear and is explained as "vippefyr or lever light (3)" and "Denmark introduced this lighthouse called a vippefyr, in 1624 (4)",
 * Page 3 is about France.
 * Page 4 briefly mentions the invention of the type of lighthouse in 1624. No mention of Skagen, a reproduction, etc.

Feel free to make a note if I've gotten anything wrong and good luck with improving the rest, Rjjiii (talk) 07:51, 21 July 2023 (UTC

Okay, I finished checking the sources, here are the rest:


 * A fire basket is an uncommon heraldic figure in heraldry. Another name in Germany is the "pitch basket," Not supported by the source. This section of the book is just illustrations of heraldry. Using this to say "uncommon" would be original research. Why are their quotes around "pitch basket" when the source is in German?
 * or a "straw basket". I didn't track down this article because the ref says it's in German.
 * A distinction is made between two representations: Only the empty fire basket or the basket with flames licking up from it is shown in the coat of arms and/or in the upper coat of arms. All heraldic colors are used, but black and the metals are used most often. The flames are mostly red. Deviations and special shapes and positions are to be mentioned in the description of the coat of arms. The town of Becherbach uses the fire basket in its coat of arms from the terms pitch and basket. This entire section is cited to another Wikipedia article. I don't think this is allowed, is it? The appropriate sources have to be copied over from that article.
 * A cressets is a fire basket on a pole. Verified at the museum's website.
 * The retired Skagen's White Lighthouse in Skagen, North Judland, Denmark. On the roof is the fire basket once used as a beacon. This is supported by citation 6. Since it's in a gallery separated from the body text, you may want to use a named ref here. But regardless this is fine.

I'll post a quick note on the DYK template as well, Rjjiii (talk) 07:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)