Talk:Fire making

Great pic
This is the only article I've ever seen on wikipedia that used an animation. Way to go whoever threw that up there! -Shaggorama 04:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's weirding me out.64.81.161.245

hahaha! excellent! 86.135.164.200 20:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Apparently its been removed :( Saktoth (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:12, 14 March 2010 (UTC).

Firecraft merge
You should put in the article "How Early Man Made Fire " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.10.142.135 (talk) 21:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * support --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * support --DevOhm Talk 09:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Who uses the term Firecraft besides writers of survival manuals? Kortoso (talk) 20:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Repeating
Modern methods of making fire has "Electric" twice. Any reason for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.69.228.17 (talk) 14:49, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Animals
Animals do not make fire, but many animals know what fire is and that it is dangerous and should be fleed from. Some predatory animals know that fire creates rich pickings, and will follow fire once started. Tabletop (talk) 06:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There is a hawk/kite in Australia that is reputed to pick up burning coals from wildfires and spread them about, in order to make animals flea so it might catch them, and also to pick among the remains of dead animals. Try as i might, i cannot find ANY source for this info though i recall seeing it in a documentary. This youtube video is as close as i can get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qVrMDo8DE —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saktoth (talk • contribs) 05:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Rename
How about we rename this article "methods of making fire" or something similar? It would take away some of the connotations of it being a how-to page, instead devoting it to the known methods of starting fires. Jaimeastorga2000 (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * "Fire making"? "Fire starting"? "Fire ignition?"   Will Beback    talk    07:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed product brand reference
This line read like a plug for a product rather then providing any real useful information. "One such device is known as the Aurora Fire Starter. This device uses a ferrocerium rod doped with high amounts of magnesium and also has a built-in striking blade." So I change it to provide a note about device with built in scrapers and one hand operation. Sledder (talk) 03:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Navbox
Started a "firecraft" navbox at User:Steveprutz/firemaking. Any suggestions would be appreciated. StevePrutz (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems you're on the right track. Kortoso (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Any thoughts about separating "Bow Drill" from "Hand Drill"? Historically, we know that hand drills for fire making were much more common (in fact nearly universal) than bow drills, which were actually only known to a handful of primitive cultures. The bowdrill's current popularity, of course, is due to its ease of use and its promotion among certain survivalist circles. But adherence to that bias is producing a skewed perspective of history. Kortoso (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

"Methods by historical era"
Great idea for a topic, but the sub-topics do not follow that pattern. And it forces the narrative into unfounded conclusions, namely "the oldest firemaking technique" which is patently unprovable, and may lead others to mistaken conclusions. May I suggest simply listing different techniques and not pretending that they are in historical order? Kortoso (talk) 23:29, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

"Pyromania"
I don't believe this belongs in here as a x-reference. It's a mental disorder. Why would people visiting this article need that link? Kortoso (talk) 18:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Which came first: friction or percussion?
I think that finding reliable sources that point to one or the other, would greatly enhance this article. Who's game? Something to start with: http://members.societe-jersiaise.org/whitsco/hist2.htm
 * Friction fire-making seems widespread, although percussion fire-making could have accompanied stone tool-making. Kortoso (talk) 17:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Found an article by Dr Cordain from which I might "mine" some references:
 * http://thepaleodiet.com/ancestral-fire-production-implications-contemporary-paleo-diets/ Kortoso (talk) 19:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Neandertals
We conclude that Middle Paleolithic Neandertals did not have to wait for lightning strikes, meteorite falls, volcanoes, or spontaneous combustion: they had the ability to make, conserve, and transport fires during successive occupations or at different sites, like ethnographically documented recent hunter-gatherers, a pattern comparable to that documented in the Upper Paleolithic. http://www.pnas.org/content/108/13/5209.full Kortoso (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Earliest hand fire drill
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-19168047 When: The journal reports that the artefacts are almost 8,000 years old Where: Sha'ar HaGolan http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0042213 "We suggest that these objects were components of fire drills and consider them the earliest evidence of a complex technology of fire ignition, which incorporates the cylindrical objects in the role of matches." NOPE. These are all made of clay or stone. Kortoso (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Pump drill
A better cite for this claim: "The Iroquois are unique in America and perhaps in the world in making fire with the pump drill." Fire-making Apparatus in the United States National Museum; Walter Hough, 1890 Kortoso (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Examples from around the world
Listed at Talk:Bow drill.John_Abbe (talk) 13:15, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Firemaking is a Core Human Skill
I suggest this topic, the specific skill and means/method to start a fire, is far more than just a part of Scouting or Bushcraft (even though I've taught firemaking for decades in those fields). Starting a fire is essential to human life (eating, warmth, clean water, etc.), human development, human culture, and such for thousands of years. There is so much material for this simple topic that its almost overwhelming.

I propose we focus solely on the skill itself and where possible direct readers to sub-topic Wiki pages that detail each method, or historical, cultural, and other aspects .Sweerek (talk) 14:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Firelighting → Fire making – WP:COMMONNAME: fire making, fire lighting and fire craft appear in the lead sentence. Firelighting doesn't appear even once in the body of the article. The article was renamed to firelighting years ago by someone who wanted to make the article title match the category name. There was no need for that, and if there was the category should have been renamed rather than violating WP:COMMONNAME on the article title. Srleffler (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Support – The logic seems sound, and your suggested name seems to fit better. ngrams shows that "fire making" is the most popular term of the three by far. Regular Google searches (with quotation marks) also put "fire making" (447k results) slightly ahead of "fire lighting" (409k). ("Firelighting", without any space in between, falls below both terms using both methods.) V2Blast (talk) 08:40, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


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"Spindle (fire making)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Merge from Fire starter
The article Fire starter is (barring the first-sentence dictionary definition) a one-paragraph stub about a particular kind of fire starter used by mountain climbers and hikers. I don't think that merits its own article as the primary topic, considering the multifarious kinds of fire starters in existence.

Firestarter is a disambiguation page. If merged, I suggest the resulting be listed for discussion to retarget it there. 94.21.78.76 (talk) 17:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with the proposed merge. You don't need to list a redirect for discussion unless the change is controversial. Just change the redirect and see if anyone objects. I made some changes to firestarter to make actual fire-starting devices more prominent, as they should be.--Srleffler (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)