Talk:First-person (video games)

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Rename article?
I think renaming the article to First person perspective (video games) might be better. I've even seen the acronym FPP used to describe the perspective. SharkD  Talk  13:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

First person (video games) → First-person perspective –This article was probably put at the current title to disambiguate from first-person narrative, but that topic is rarely referred to as "first-person perspective" (usually either "first-person narrative" or simply "first-person"). Any slight chance that this name will cause confusion will be alleviated with a hatnote (already in place). The title should definitely be hyphenated, as we are not talking about someone who arrived before the second and third people ("first person to show up" v. "first-person perspective"). The simple "first-person" is rarely used for video games unless it is followed by something (first-person shooter, first-person adventure, first-person RPG, etc.).

This rename will also open the article to cover the wider topic of first-person perspective in more general media. Although it is not nearly as common in film or television, and the article will still primarily be about video games, this is still a device that is used and can be linked to for clarity. Often this device is used for the babies or animals (Eddie from Frasier, or the commercials for Beggin' Strips), or to show the effects of drugs or psychosis (Father Jack Hackett on Father Ted, or the overdose in Trainspotting). ▫  Johnny Mr Nin ja  21:27, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The use of first-person as a narrative device in television and film is really a separate (if related) concept to a first-person video game. It actually is more closely related to first-person narrative, the literary device.  As such, while I think a separate article on first-person perspective as a broad concept would be valuable, I don't think this article should be modified to become it.  Powers T 01:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose Write a more general article at First-person perspective instead, then it wouldn't be overwhelmed by the videogame content. 76.65.128.198 (talk) 06:19, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Requested move 2 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved: no significant consensus to move all. It may be worth considering another RM without Quest, Spawning, Life, Warp, Last man standing, Unlockable, Line of sight, Tank, Healer. L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

– Per WP:NCVGDAB: "10. For video game specific terminology use (video gaming); for video game terminology that is also used with non-video games, use (gaming)." Listed articles are specific only to video games (please correct me if I'm wrong). I hope no articles escaped me. I used a search string  with SearchSuite — bieχχ (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * First-person (gaming) → First-person (video gaming)
 * Camping (gaming) → Camping (video gaming)
 * Quest (gaming) → Quest (video gaming)
 * Grinding (gaming) → Grinding (video gaming)
 * Spawning (gaming) → Spawning (video gaming)
 * Life (gaming) → Life (video gaming)
 * Mob (gaming) → Mob (video gaming)
 * Spam (gaming) → Spam (video gaming)
 * Strafing (gaming) → Strafing (video gaming)
 * Virtuality (gaming) → Virtuality (video gaming)
 * Warp (gaming) → Warp (video gaming)
 * Last man standing (gaming) → Last man standing (video gaming)
 * Unlockable (gaming) → Unlockable (video gaming)
 * Line of sight (gaming) → Line of sight (video gaming)
 * Raid (gaming) → Raid (video gaming)
 * Tank (gaming) → Tank (video gaming)
 * Healer (gaming) → Healer (video gaming)
 * Nuke (gaming) → Nuke (video gaming)
 * Duping (gaming) → Duping (video gaming)
 * Space system (gaming) → Space system (video gaming)


 * Quests, mobs, life, warp, line of sight, tank, healer, and nuke, even if not currently written this way, all strike me as concepts that would show up in RPGs, which are not video game specific. I would oppose moving these. Space system doesn't strike me as notable. The rest seem like reasonable moves. --Izno (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree. TBH, I think that guideline should get some love and updates. I really don't think the distinction of disambiguater between "video gaming" and "gaming" is needed when dealing with terminology/concepts. --Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * TBH, I don't know if the consensus to use "video game" rather than "game" is necessary either, unless disambiguating with some other kind of game at this point. But that one's ancient, and deserves an RFC to change. --Izno (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As someone who has been involved with a number of these articles, I have no strong feelings on this topic. I like how short "gaming" is, but I don't think it's worth making too big a fuss about. I kinda agree with Gonnym that this distinction has become a bit moot, as there is often no need to disambiguate between different types of 'games'. Meanwhile, I would never disambiguate an esports athlete as simply a "game player" so I am clearly not consistent with this thought. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 08:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support – WP:VG has somehow inexplicably carved itself out "an exception" from doing what would elsewhere be considered "complete" (and necessary) disambiguation (e.g. getting away with "(series)" as diambig., when it clearly should be "(video game series)", or at least "(game series)" at a minimum), so there's no time like the present to start finally moving these articles to necessary disambiguation. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * the problem which was raised by Izno, is that video games share a lot of terminology with other games (such as Tabletop games), where as he pointed out - quests, life, warp, LoS, tank, healer and other terms are used. The articles in their current state do not mention them, but that doesn't mean these terms will get a separate article for them, as they are basically the same thing in all games, just slightly different implementation (which can be said is also true between different video games). --Gonnym (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not necessarily saying that it's not "arguable". But, on balance, I find the proposal is the better solution, and hopefully this RM will spearhead the process into moving all the other insufficiently disambiguated video game articles... But I'll try to remember to keep an eye on this one, as I'm not completely bound to the current proposal. --IJBall (contribs • talk)
 * I totally agree with you on the series one and in another RM discussion I voiced issues with another different disambig option, but this one just makes the scope not usable by any non-video game, which is strange considering that these games probably used some of these terms way before video games came out. --Gonnym (talk) 19:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the title should describe what the article is about, not about what it may/will be. If, let's say, Life (gaming) gets moved to Life (video gaming), it doesn't prevent anybody from later expanding the article to cover life in paper-and-pencil games and then moving it back to (gaming). Moves aren't costly. — bieχχ (talk) 19:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose for Quest, Tank, Healer, Line of sight, and Spam. Neutral on the others. For the ones I opposed, all of them are terms that are also used in tabletop roll playing games and, for some of them, in board games and wargames as well. Also, I agree with Izno that Space probably shouldn't be an article. I'm not going to pull the trigger, but if someone else here files a request to delete on that, ping me. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose Quest, Spawning, Life, Warp, Last man standing, Unlockable, Line of sight, Tank, Healer - these terms I know are used in other games (non-video games). --Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. All of the articles above currently appear to be about video games, rather than games in general, so (video gaming) would be appropriate.--Cúchullain t/ c 17:03, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


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Beginnings
The Beginnings section of History jumps into first person shooters despite the article being about first person games in general. That makes for a confusing flow into the next section, and also ignores any early non-shooters that have used a first person perspective. Dgpop (talk) 23:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Onamonapia
Compound 67.198.7.145 (talk) 11:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Onamonapia
Compound call Pam compound 67.198.7.145 (talk) 11:18, 28 November 2021 (UTC)