Talk:First Battle of Tripoli Harbor

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Is there any reason (besides anglocentrism) that the American vessel is named and Swedish aren't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.113.211.70 (talk) 00:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

there is this translation
@Imonoz an end to a state of things harmful to his budding business. A treaty had therefore been signed and an American consul sent to Tripoli, which had also taken place for the other Barbary states; but in 1800 the peace had been broken, and the efforts of the consul-general of France were powerless to restore it. Hostilities between the Americans and the Regency lasted four years. During this time, the port of Tripoli was almost continuously blocked. Several attacks, led by Commodore Préble, caused more harm to the Americans than to their enemies. In the first, the assailants lost a frigate which ran aground on the rocks at the entrance to the port; three hundred men riding it fell into the power of the Barbarians, which made the re- establishment of peace more difficult because of the enormous claims which the pasha raised for their ransom. The Americans, seeing the lack of success of their attacks on Tripoli, negotiated with Sidi-Ahmed, the pasha's brother, who had seen himself driven from the throne and forced to take refuge in Egypt. The object of the Americans was to kindle civil war in the country and to defeat by this diversion the obstinacy of the African prince. This means succeeded: Sidi-Ahmed, supported by the troops of the Commodore, seized Derna, and his brother, frightened, hastened to conclude a treaty at Jamalie7 (talk) 22:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I didn't see you had already translated before editing the article. I will read it now. Imonoz (talk) 22:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Okey. So this text is about the Second Battle of Tripoli Harbor, not the first one (this one); Préble wasn't involved in this battle as far as I know. Go there if you want to contribute. Thank you. Imonoz (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Imonoz I'm sorry sir but it day in the first time meaning this blockade sorry but it may be just a writer confusing generals Jamalie7 (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Imonoz says I mean in. the text it said in the first time I'm writing fast it's my first time editing but okay could you tell how to probably cite and I'm getting confused between how to cite a book and a article Jamalie7 (talk) 22:36, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In that case, the writer is probably confusing the dates; some confusion is seemingly going on, which makes the source itself dubious. Either way, the Swedish-American casualties in this battle - the First Battle of Tripoli Harbor - was considered light. This battle was was not really that intense. Your source might be more useful in the article about the Second Battle of Tripoli Harbor, but I don't see any use of it in this article. It's best if you read Citing sources, it will give you the basics needed. Imonoz (talk) 22:42, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Imonoz oh okay.....are all Wikipedia editors nice like that? Jamalie7 (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't consider myself nice, but I think most people in here are. You've shown good manners by discussing something when asked, rather than relying on edit warring - this is a very good sign, seeing as it's otherwise somewhat of a common trait for new contributors to engage in those. You're very welcome here. Imonoz (talk) 22:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jamalie7 So, apparently, the instance which is described in your source, regarding the grounded frigate and the captured personnel, seemingly occurred in October 31, 1803 - so neither during this battle or the Second Battle of Tripoli Harbor. It was the American frigate USS Philadelphia (1799) which ran aground. This, according to National Museum of the U.S. Navy. The 300 losses should probably be removed from the Second Battle of Tripoli Harbor infobox. Information regarding the capture is already mentioned in the First Barbary War article. Imonoz (talk) 03:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * @Imonoz okay do as you like it isn't that important Jamalie7 (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Imonoz hey may I ask in the Bombardment of Tripoli the 1828 should I put the green three Cresent flag ? Jamalie7 (talk) 22:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Jamalie7 I'm not really familiar with that conflict or the belligerents in that particular time period, so I can't help you. You could make your desired changes but be prepared they might get reverted, or you could open up a discussion in that talk page beforehand and let someone with more knowledge about that battle help you; actually, I see now that you've already started a new discussion. User "XavierGreen" is the main author of that article, you might wanna ping him and see what he's got to say. Imonoz (talk) 00:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Imonoz okay thank you ! Jamalie7 (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * @Imonoz may I ask i edited the first italo senussi war added that due to tribal rebellions the Italian ended up losing and recognized the senussi and Tripolitanian Republic as independent i put two sources proving it but this guy said no ! but my source both say that and they both said the Italian recognized both states as self governed so why ? I had a talk page in the first senussi war could you see it ? and I still have both articles so if you want I can give them to you Jamalie7 (talk) 20:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)