Talk:First Drees cabinet

Requested move 18 October 2010

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: articles appear to have been renamed Kotniski (talk) 14:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Pages were moved out-of-process on 10 November 2010 by, but not as requested – see . – wbm1058 (talk) 13:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Netherlands cabinet Drees-2 → Netherlands cabinet Drees-1 — There are four cabinets with Willem Drees as Prime Minister:
 * Netherlands Cabinet Drees/Van Schaik, sometimes called 'Drees I'
 * Netherlands Cabinet Drees I, sometimes called 'Drees II'
 * Netherlands Cabinet Drees II, sometimes called 'Drees III'
 * Netherlands Cabinet Drees III, sometimes called 'Drees IV'
 * On the Dutch Wikipedia and Commons this is also the case. Wikix (talk) 17:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Netherlands cabinet Drees-3 → Netherlands cabinet Drees-2
 * Netherlands cabinet Drees-4 → Netherlands cabinet Drees-3
 * These titles all look weird. If the form in actual use is with Roman numerals and no hyphen before the numeral, why not use that?--Kotniski (talk) 05:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

In the beginning
The story to be continued... wbm1058 (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * created Netherlands cabinet Drees-1 (7 August 1948 - 15 March 1951) at 13:03, 8 December 2006
 * created Netherlands cabinet Drees-2 (15 March 1951 - 2 September 1952) at 14:51, 8 December 2006
 * created Netherlands cabinet Drees-3 (2 September 1952 - 13 October 1956) at 10:05, 9 December 2006
 * created Netherlands cabinet Drees-4 (13 October 1956 - 22 December 1958) at 10:29, 9 December 2006
 * at 10:11, 12 December 2006 created the redirect Netherlands cabinet Drees III to Netherlands cabinet Drees-4
 * at 10:11, 12 December 2006 created the redirect Netherlands cabinet Drees II to Netherlands cabinet Drees-3
 * at 10:12, 12 December 2006 created the redirect Netherlands cabinet Drees I to Netherlands cabinet Drees-2

First moves
The four 10 November 2010 moves were performed while a requested move discussion was open, in which the page mover did not participate. Three moves were requested, not four, the requester having already moved the "first" to an unnumbered title. The other four pages stayed on the same numbers (2, 3 and 4) thus not implementing the request to reduce the count by one (to 1, 2, and 3). – wbm1058 (talk) 13:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * at 17:14, 18 October 2010 moved page Netherlands cabinet Drees-1 to Netherlands cabinet Drees/Van Schaik over redirect
 * this move was made about 15 minutes before the above RM was submitted
 * at 16:50, 10 November 2010 moved page Netherlands cabinet Drees/Van Schaik to Drees-Van Schaik cabinet (Naming system of all Dutch cabinets (see talk))
 * at 16:56, 10 November 2010 moved page Netherlands cabinet Drees-2 to Second Drees cabinet (Naming system of all Dutch cabinets (see talk))
 * at 17:01, 10 November 2010 moved page Netherlands cabinet Drees-3 to Third Drees cabinet (Naming system of all Dutch cabinets (see talk))
 * at 17:04, 10 November 2010 moved page Netherlands cabinet Drees-4 to Fourth Drees cabinet (Naming system of all Dutch cabinets (see talk))

Second moves
Now that I've sorted out what happened, I'll repair the cut-paste moves by making history-merges. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * at 15:27, 21 April 2011 moved Second Drees cabinet to First Drees cabinet (First Drees cabinet)
 * this was an easy move because since the page title First Drees cabinet did not previously exist, there was no redirect to move over
 * at 15:30, 21 April 2011 copy-paste moved Third Drees cabinet to Second Drees cabinet
 * (their move three minutes earlier left behind a blocking redirect)
 * at 15:36, 21 April 2011 cut-paste moved Fourth Drees cabinet to Third Drees cabinet, making a page history which abruptly changes scope from one topic to another
 * this time the page history of the copy-pasted Third/Second Drees cabinet blocked the move

What makes Josef van Schaik so special that he gets co-billing?
Over the course of my archaeological dig (see the section above) one question kept nagging me. Josef van Schaik was just the Deputy Prime Minister under Drees, so why is he given shared billing, as if he is a co-prime minister with Drees in the Drees–Van Schaik cabinet. And what makes Frans Teulings, Louis Beel and Teun Struycken so un-special that they don't share billing in the cabinet names? Why is Drees only given credit for leading three cabinets, not four? Why aren't Drees I, II, and III called the Drees–Teulings cabinet, Drees–Beel cabinet, and Drees–Struycken cabinet? The articles don't explain. – wbm1058 (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)