Talk:First Nations in Canada/Archive 2

Negatives vs Positives
The majority of this article is about the negative attributes of the First Nations experience. Near the end it has brief snippets about music and diversity, etc. Is there nothing good to say about the "culture" of these people prior to European contact, or even during? What about now? Is the experience of First Nations people essentially one of conquest and suffering?

Deepcloud (talk) 11:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Series Sidebar
Started this "Ethnic Series sidebar template" to bring together some of the main topics related to the aboriginal peoples of Canada so that the articles stand alone and do not overlap each other in content. What is your opinion? SriMesh | talk  04:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

very nice add to all pages....when your done i think it looks great.....good job,,,, Lets try it on First nations page see if people like it ..i am sure they will

links you may like to add ,,well not all there is many ...History of Canada, Models of migration to the New World, Origins of Paleoindians,Pre-Columbian,Assembly of First Nations

and List of First Nations peoples,List of First Nations governments,Métis National Council

Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE It has been added to the following articles, PLEASE ADD IT TO new and old articles about the topic..   Buzzzsherman (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Query about MS Word update
This sentence ..If the seventh miigis being stayed, it would have established the Thunderbird doodem. ... can it be changed to If the seventh miigis were stayed, it would have established the Thunderbird doodem. Being stayed is not quite right perhaps.SriMesh | talk  22:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * So i guess this is next on our list to get to GA level....dame lots of work here,,,ok back here again,,,,,,,,,,,lol.............Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think the above question from me was right....it makes sense now, I was reading being as a verb not a noun for some reason.SriMesh | talk  01:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, hello, started on the same queries - items presented for the other article. See you are peeking in here now, also. I will return again to the other article, but need to rest, and return to see it differently.SriMesh |  talk  01:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

CA English
Quote from auto pr; English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: honour (B) (American: honor), harbour (B) (American: harbor), neighbour (B) (American: neighbor), organize (A) (British: organise), organise (B) (American: organize), recognise (B) (American: recognize), realise (B) (American: realize), colonise (B) (American: colonize), ization (A) (British: isation), isation (B) (American: ization), traveled (A) (British: travelled), travelled (B) (American: traveled), routing (A) (British: routeing), program  (A) (British: programme---checking now SriMesh |  talk  23:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Search found Honoré Jackson for honour/honor, apologizes, citizens, citizenship. found for ise-ize, Civilization, decentralization, Social Organizations  and Legalization are both in titles of references, and colonization, civilization in a wikilink to a wp article.  Changed those in article prose proper, and not in titlesSriMesh |  talk  23:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems pretty weird to me that an article on a Canadian topic wouldn't be written in Canadian English (tending to be a bit of a mic of British and American) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.91.224 (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed some text
"Although not as technologically advanced as the Mesoamerican civilisations further south, there were extensive pre-Columbian sedentary societies in what is now the United States of America. The Iroquois League of Nations or "People of the Long House" was a politically advanced and unique social structure that was inspirational and influential on the development of the democratic United States government, a departure from the strong monarchies from which the Europeans came." Not about Canada at all.SriMesh | talk  01:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

GA level needs
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Buzzzsherman (talk) 00:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thinking of removing............................
Thinking of removing the following 3 paragraphs ......but wll let the next editor make the choice with my clear support: I believe it is very bias -  referenced or not.. Or maybe its an American view .. Or MAY BE I AM WRONG but the worded just sound off to me almost demeaning.

Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Habitually when innovative artists depart from established conventions of “native art”, they are deemed “inauthentic” and of less value as a First Nations piece. Oscar Howe, for example, entered his piece Umine Wacipi: War and Peace Dance with an abstract portrayal of a ritual dance in the Annual Contemporary American Indian Painting Exhibition in 1958, and the panel of jurors (2 out of 3 Caucasian) disqualified him from the competition. They declared his work not “Indian” enough. Modern First Nations art is a very useful to track the shifting notions of identity, culture, and sovereignty.

Hock E Aye Vi (Edgar Heap of Birds), an artist of Cheyenne and Arapaho descent, challenges colonial history and current issues of displacement in his work. His provocative public art such as his Native Hosts series, reminds the city's residents that they are “guests of people whose land they occupy''. Formerly around the Vancouver Art Gallery, the series is now placed across the campus of the University of British Columbia. The “signage” welcomes the audience, while declaring claiming the territory for the one of the First Nations bands in British Columbia.

Another iconic modern artist is Lawrence Paul Yuxweluptun. His performance piece, An Indian Act: Shooting The Indian Act, protests the ongoing effects of the legislation on Aboriginal people. He also does surrealist paintings, dealing with environmental destruction, land claims, Aboriginal rights, and racism. He has been called one of Canada's most important painters; this Salish artist has been exhibited all across the world.

Grapes
" Leif's third landing was at a place he called Vinland, where he found grapes growing wild."

It should perhaps be stressed that the "Greenlanders Saga" claims grapes were found at Vinland, but that there is little evidence that this was ever, in fact, the case. The name "vin" can, in old norse, refer to "grasses, meadows", and was used in this sense in Jæren, where Leiv Eriksson came from. The historian Claus Krag (http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Krag) claims the reference to grapes was added in the saga to emphasize the presumed lushness of the landscape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgabrielsen (talk • contribs) 12:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Does this make sense?
The words "Canada's early interactions with First Nations and Inuit populations were peaceful" seem somewhat suspect to me. It does not seem right. Surely if any populations were to be described as "Canada" it would be the First Nations and Inuit populations. Should it say instead "White Europeans' early interactions with Canada's First Nations and Inuit populations were peaceful" or something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EttaLove (talk • contribs) 14:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Link Seems Suspect
When I click to reference 11 here, I get to a site with this text: "My only issue with this insert, if there is to be one, is that Fleshlight girls winter sale it consumes lots of lube, which in turn leads to spills and unwieldy messes that must be cleaned up afterwards." Uncle uncle uncle 05:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The references also seem to be confused with the further reading sections —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle uncle uncle (talk • contribs) 05:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This seems to have something to do with it but I don't see where it actually supports the statement about First Nations being more successful than American Indians. The reference does say page 15-16, and I don't see that either, so maybe this is only a summary? Whatever the case, the cite still needs work. I took out the other URL though. Keep your fork, there&#39;s pie (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Religion
The table for Native Americans list the religion of the NAI as both Christian and Anglican; perhaps we could either drop Anglican or change generic "Christian" to something else? Kostantino888Z (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

European Contact
I read on the Basque language article that Basque whalers had contact with the inhabitants of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, and indeed a few of their words where incorporated into the local languages. This is not mentioned here. Can anyone find when this happened and put it on the page? If it is earlier then Cartier, it is significant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.41.133 (talk) 01:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Rabaska
Rabaska redirects here, but there is no content in this article that mentions or defines "Rabaska" in any way. DavidConrad (talk) 00:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Why aren't Inuit First Nations?
The article should mention this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose Trawn (talk • contribs) 00:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Gurmani /gormani
Gurmani or Gormani is a baloch tribe of balochistan .Gurmani is sub-nation of Bugti bloch.The Gurmani are present in layyah,lorlai,multan,dg khan,karachi,kot sultan,kot addu, muzafar garh ,basti gurmani ,karor, bakhri ahmad khan, bait wasaya shumali ,rajan pur and in many other places. They fought many battles against tangwani. MAIN PEOPLE: Nawab Mushtaq Ahmed gurmani was the best ever politition and richest man of sub continent. SARDAR Abdul kareem khan gurmani is a landlord of kot sultan/bakhri. Ghulam Muhamad khan gurmani. Sardar Rab Nawaz khan gurmani (d.o of multan) was a landlord of bakhri and brother of sardar abdul rasheed khan gurmani and sardar abdul kareem khan. Ahsan ullah khan gurmani is a famous personality of layyah. Mian zeshan gurmani(MPA MUzafargarh),SAUD gurmani and Tariq gurmani are big polititions of kot addu. Haseeb khan gurmani is also a good personality. Zaka ullah khan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.69.12.48 (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * This article is about indigenous peoples from Canada, not elsewhere. We do have a stub for Gurmani: the above comments should be posted to that article’s discussion page, or perhaps at Bugti, Rind, Baloch people, or Pakistani people.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  18:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Dating, Metis, peoples
A minor point, but I noticed that the dating in this article uses both AD and CE. It should probably be consistent throughout.

It mentions early Euro-Canadian interactions with First Nations and Metis, but I would take early interaction to mean 16th or 17th century while Metis have only been around since 18th or 19th century.

Could someone just clarify for me what is meant by the term "first peoples". Is this meant to cover all the North America cultures as opposed to only Canada's First Nations, or is it a collective term for First Nations/Metis/Inuit, or something else entirely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.72.120 (talk) 01:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic composition
Where can I get number of each first nation group?--Kaiyr (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Untitled
Sorry, I am rather ignorant about editing wiki. But the last paragraph in the first section referencing the difference between the "First Nations" (love privileged racial terms) experience in dealing with Canadian and US Euros to be extremely nationalistic Canadian POV.

It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hope2helpU (talk • contribs) 07:44, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

First nation
Why dont number of each first nation count in census? for example how many cree?--Kaiyr (talk) 07:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)