Talk:First War Of Indian Independence

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Talk:Indian Mutiny and (Talk:War of Independence of 1857). Indian Muytiny talk page has a long disscussion of the name given to the artical, and varius other refrances tooto 18:14, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Early suggestion for improvement
A better caption for the first image saying who made it and what it is supposed to show MeltBanana 17:40, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I added what may be the original caption for the engraving (see ). Gdr 10:55, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)

Can someone add a bit about what to call it
basicaly, while discussing where the main artical shoould be, a lode came up about what it should be refurd to as, can someone please add it to the main artical, + it may need a bit of neetining up since the mearger. if i can, i will do both myself, but i should be getting on with work... tooto 17:13, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Historiography
The introduction contains the paragraph:


 * The history of the rebellion is, to this day, an ongoing battle between two competing narratives, the history claimed by the British, who won the war, and the history claimed by the Indians, who were defeated.

It would be nice to have a section explaining how these narratives differ and naming the major proponents of these views. Is there a third narrative from a neutral point of view? Gdr 10:53, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)


 * There is the Sikh POV; they were sort of neutral, but tended towards the Rebels. There is the Afghan POV, they were sort of neutral but tended towards the British. There is the Tamil POV, but I don't know what that was. Unfortunately though, this is a HUGE subject, thousands of books have been written about this single subject alone. It's fading into distant memory now (it's non-PC to teach pupils about the British Empire in Britain, and where else is going to teach it?), so it's hard to track the facts down (though there have been a rash good books recently).
 * I will try and add something about this, though it maybe hard to do without over complicating. nick 16:44, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Place Names
Unless anyone has any objections, I think the contemporary place names should be used in this article. The current names should, of course, be mentioned, but no-one knows what the "Seige of Kanpur" is because there was no such thing. nick 16:44, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Other
Somehow the whole section
 * However, the common misconception that British undertook these changes in social system themselves, is also wrong as there were many Indian reformers, notable among them, Raja Rammohan Roy who prevailed upon the British to carry out these reforms. In fact, one lesson learnt and followed to spirit by British after 1857, was to leave Indian society rotting and further strengthen the social malices in order to maintain their supremacy; and also appease the gentry; which led the 1857 mutiny from front. Brutal Zamindari, Caste System, and communal divide, which were not visible until 1857, became more prominent after this mutiny, thanks to selective appeasement by British.

seems to me not only bad English (I think I get what is meant, but I'm not too sure), but also suffering from words that either need to be explained or just removed: 'rotting', 'social malices', and 'brutal' carry quite a heavy moral load. Even if one would like to keep these terms, please explain what exactly is meant by especially the aforementioned 'social malices'. I'm quite new at this, so if this remark is seen as being overly careful, feel free to remove this.--Santetjan 20:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)