Talk:Fit Finlay

Finishing Move?
Finlay's finisher doesn't really look like a piledriver. It looks more like a Samoan Drop than a piledriver.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.83.205 (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Face/heel
It's not fact that he made a heel turn on the June 10th edition of ECW. Here's what went down: Finlay, Hornswoggle, and Collin Delaney were dancing after the defeat of Armondo. Collin was dancing with Hornswoggle and took his hat. Then, Collin put Hornswoggle's hat on Finlay's head. Finlay put his son's hat back on Hornswoggle's head. As Finlay and Hornswoggle were exiting the ring, Finlay hit Collin with the weapon. Finlay and Hornswoggle continued dancing and celebrating, still recieving positive reactions from fans, but the announcers were clearly adressing the use of the weapon as though Finlay was a heel... we'll have to wait for Friday, I guess. --96.248.174.104 (talk) 21:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Moved from Northern Ireland to Britain?
Northern Ireland is part of Britain. It should say he moved to England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.161.135 (talk) 02:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Northern Ireland is not a part of Britain. Britain is an Island that consists of England, Scotland and Wales. Dornálaíocht (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * But Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom which includes Great Britain and Northern Ireland The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Great Britain is the Island, Britain is an ambiguous term that can refer to that island, the british isles as a whole or the political entity of the UK & NI. in a subject quite so charged as the status of NI relative to the UKL, it is wisest to use unambiguous and 'neutral' terms, therefore 'moved to England' is better (assuming this is correct, otherwise 'moved to scotland' etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.83.30 (talk) 20:47, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Citizenship

 * At the current time, "Ireland" is not a country, it is an island. Legally, Finlay holds citizenship in Northern Ireland. As stated on the Northern Ireland page, the official name of the region is "Northern Ireland". Simply putting "Irish" is ambiguous, and could easily cause confusion with the Republic of Ireland, which is a sovereign country in which Finlay has no legal status. McPhail 17:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * ETA: The wikipedia page on "Northern Ireland" suggests that "Northern Ireland" is a neutral term while "North of Ireland" and "Ulster" are, respectively, partisan. McPhail 17:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Finlay has FULL legal status with the Republic of Ireland Pertaining to National identity and citizenship. I myself am from Northern Ireland and carry both Irish Nationality and citizenship. Even though it exsisted fully before the 1998 Agreement, the Good Friday Agreement clearly states that "anyone born in Northern Ireland has the right to identify themselves as either British or Irish", an agreement signed by the Irish Government and British Government and agreed upon by People both sides of the Irish border.

I feel it's discriminatory to refuse Irish People from Northern Ireland their right to be identified as Irish, despite Nationalists and Unionists having full legal rights to identify themselves as Irish. I don't see what's wrong with the following term:

"Dave "Finley" Finley (Born Belfast, Northern Ireland) is an Irish Professional Wrestler currently working for .....". Clearly stating his hailing from the Northern Ireland state, leaving no room for confusion with the Republic of Ireland.


 * It's "Finlay", but otherwise that would be acceptable. Irish would need to be disambiguated, though. McPhail 18:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

That's fair, and thanks for your understanding.


 * When I came across this article the introduction stated "British/Irish" with the "Irish" linking (inaccurately, unless I'm missing something) to the Republic instead of the island. Following the precedent set by other articles about NI personalities, I've changed it to Northern Irish which seems most specific and neutral. --  I sl a y So lo mo n  |  t a l k  03:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As said above, all Northern Irish have automatically dual citizenship. It's the norm for wrestlers to have their nationality in the opening, which is covered with British / Irish.Halbared 23:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as "Northern Irish". People in the North of Ireland identify themselves as British or Irish. Finlay often flys the Tricolour, including in his WWE entrance on screen - this is symbolic and proves that Finlay is infact an Irish man with nationalist roots, and would like to be seen as such. Infact, many of his gimmicks in the past have been hatred towards British people - (ie: his fueds with regal). Finlay should be confirmed as an Irishman, for that is what he is. Jobjobjob

A citizen of Northern Ireland (referred as such in all legal documentation, including the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement) has the right to Irish and/or British identity. Dave Finlay has referred to himself as Irish many times yet not once do I recall him referring to himself as British. → Posted by Bbx118 12:53, 19 April 2007 (Note: Please sign your posts using ~ Govvy 13:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC))

He is still British never-the-less. Govvy 13:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

That's a POV. No one in Northern Ireland is forced to accept either nationality, they are free to choose Irish, British or both - if they so choose - nationalities.

Rather than us speculating on what passport(s) or citizenship he holds, I've changed the lead sentence to "David Edward "Dave" Finlay... from Belfast, Northern Ireland." which is factual, agrees with the infobox and avoids PoV either way. Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 10:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Its says that finlay started his wrestling career in carrickfegus and then moved over to britain. carrickfergus is part of britain! should be mainland britain or great britain


 * Er, no. Carrickfergus is part of Ireland (an island) and Northern Ireland (a region of the United Kingdom), whose full title is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". "Mainland" Britain is the island of Great Britain, excluding the small islands around it like the Shetlands.  Calling an island off hte coast of a continent "the mainland" might be seen as a bit presumptuous anyway... Bastun BaStun not BaTsun 19:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there any verification that he does identify as Irish rather than British? If so then he should certainly be called an Irish professional wrestler, but if the only source is the way he is marketed by WWE or has been marketed in other wrestling promotions then I would advise caution.Hobson (talk) 00:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I have tagged the statement that Finlay is Irish with a request for a citation. I think there is agreement that a person from Northern Ireland could potentially be British or Irish or both. I think there is also a view here, and on Wikipedia generally, that in the case of a person from Northern Ireland it makes sense to use whichever nationality they themselves use - Irish if they identify as Irish or British if they identify as British. What is missing is any source which confirms Finlay identifies as Irish. The source which is cited simply states that Belfast is in Ireland, which is clearly wrong (or at best, it is referring to the island of Ireland, not the country). If we don't know, we shouldn't decide for him. If a source does exist, it should be cited. This is a biography of a living person and shouldn't really contain anything we're not sure of.Hobson (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have re-inserted the "fact" tag after it was removed with the edit summary "look in the infobox". I assume this is a reference to the two sources cited in the infobox which both state he is from "Belfast, Ireland". However, neither of these sources state that he is Irish. If he is from Belfast then he is from the island of Ireland and from the country called the United Kingdom, but it doesn't tell us what his nationality is. I'm not disputing that he might very well be Irish and if he holds Irish nationality, or has stated that he considers himself Irish, then we should say so. However, if nobody has a source for this then it would be better to stick with what we actually know - that he is from Belfast - particularly as this is a biography of a living person.Hobson (talk) 18:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have reworded the article, and hopefully people will leave it alone. If there are going to be disputes, then it is better to just say he is from Belfast as I have done rather than put in a nationality and have edit wars occur over it. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 18:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe people are arguing whether or not Finlay is Irish. His son Hornswoggle is a leprechaun! What more proof do you need? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.140.86 (talk) 21:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you really belive and lil'Horns os Finlay's son?₰ imonKSK 21:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Billed From
Should Finlay be listed as billed from "Belfast, Ireland" rather than "Belfast, Northern Ireland." I don't think that's part of the citizenship debate, but rather a straightforward matter of what the ring announcer actually says. I think he's regularly addressed as being from "Belfast, Ireland." --JamesAM 02:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He's billed from Belfast, Northern Ireland at the moment. Tony2Times (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

road agent
Add this for source.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0277969/bio


 * IMDb is not a reputable source. Sorry! NiciVampireHeart (talk) 21:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing is not a reliable source. Sorry! In other words, erase it (him being a road agent.) You can't have a huge statement like he was a booker with no source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.203.173 (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

erase.

142.162.195.131 (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

fine. have a fucking big ass statemnt like he books his own fucking job with no source.

142.162.205.213 (talk) 19:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * There's no need to be rude. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 22:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

You didnt reply, so two days later I basically summed up the previous edit by saying "erase." then you still no-show so reply again and it gets reverted, then once again and you finally reply, ignoring the whole point. Fuck civility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.205.213 (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I was away for a while, so I was actually unable to reply as I had no access to a computer. Maybe think about that before accusing me of ignoring you. I am sure there is a source somewhere saying that he is a booker, but IMDb is widely accepted to be an unreliable source. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 15:37, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I was away for a while, so I was actually unable to reply as I had no access to a computer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/NiciVampireHeart

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I am sure there is a source somewhere saying that he is a booker,

I'd love to see you find it.

142.162.198.217 (talk) 18:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I was away from the 24-26, 2 days, which in my book counts as a while. Also, I didn't add this page to my watchlist until the 26th, and forgot about the first reply I posted to you, as it didn't seem all that critical to me. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 19:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don'pt know if a source exists or not, but let me clarify something. A road agent is not a booker. A road agent is responsible for coordinating a match, deciding on what spots are necessary in each match for their division, that sort of thing. Another person decides the end result of the match, the road agent decides how the match is acted out. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Found you a source. - check under the "World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment" heading, you'll see this:, and I quote, "Fit Finlay signed with the WWF as a Road Agent after WCW was purchased." I already added it to the article. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. source could also be used for the part where it says citation needed by his dob

142.162.198.217 (talk) 20:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I added it. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

World Wrestling Entertainment (2004–present)
Under this title it mentions him wrestling in scotland before his return. Before his return to the ring in 2005, Finlay also appeared in and fought in a Smackdown! tour in the odyssey area, belfast. At this time JBL was the current reigning champion and remarked that no Irish man alive could defeat him until finlay appeared and did just that.

Profile Picture from WWE Website
The current page profile picture of Dave Finlay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Finlay_with_flag.jpg has been taken from the WWE website and claimed as copyrighted property of the uploader, Stampede1961. If you want to see for yourself, it's the 9th picture on this page: http://www.wwe.com/worldwide/ireland/irelandphotos/

I suggest the picture be removed and deleted due to copyright infringement, and the profile picture reverted to my photo of Dave Finlay here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Finlay_wiki.jpg.

KakkoiiTGN (talk) 21:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we wouldn't want the fair use attourneys on our ass. As if they do actually exist and anyone would actually do something about violations of the fair use policy. --Kaizer13 (talk) 21:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Entrance Theme
Finlay has been using Hornswoggle's theme 'Hes Ma Da' by Jim Johnston for quite some time now. Is it safe to assume that he now uses it as his theme also, and as such should be listed under his entrance themes? 86.147.228.17 (talk) 22:55, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I'll edit it in. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Dave Finlay
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Reference named "ECWtitle": From Mark Henry:  From Matt Hardy:  From No Way Out (2008):  

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 * ✅ I've fixed it. It was incorrect info anyway, so it's been removed. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 11:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Birthplace
The first sentence says it's Belfast, infobox says Greenisland, WWE Kids profile (used as source) says Carrickfergus? Speedboy Salesman (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't really take a WWE in-universe publication to be true as it's going to be filled with kafaybe information rather than the truth. The C of E.          God Save The Queen! (talk) 13:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Kent Walton always said Carrickfergus back in the World of Sport days. HappHazzard (talk) 22:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Ring Apron
On the moves shouldn't it be included his move he does where he grabs the ring apron and puts it over his opponent as a missle dropkick reversal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.112.185 (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Princess Paula (FAO User:NiciVampireHeart)
Hello.

I have unreversed your reverts to my additions and added some sources in order to prove to you that Princess Paula Valdez, the noisy head-dress wearing ex-wife and ex-manager of Dave Finlay did (and presumably still does) indeed exist. Although to be honest this is something of which most people in the UK aged over 30 are perfectly well aware!

And if Youtube clips were acceptable Wiki sources, I would have added these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHf7EalBmJ4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iUGvFItmvU

Regards

86.154.169.161 (talk) 14:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)DM
 * I appreciate you providing citations, thank you for doing so. I've removed some of the info - the sources don't verify how long they were married or when they got married, etc. It might be common knowledge among the over-30s in the UK, but wikipedia is for people of all ages from all around the world, so I assume you appreciate the need for information to be verifiable. Thanks once again for providing the sources. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 18:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Photo anyone?
Anyone got a suitable free-to-use pic of Finlay and Paula from circa the 1980s? It would be a good addition to this section. There are plenty on Google but they are not free images.Romomusicfan (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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Career Status
I'm under the impression that he isn't retired as he still works occasional house show matches. In fact it seems like the description is mixed up as I would describe him as a semi-retired proffesional wrestler not a "retired semi-proffesional wrestler" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.70.179 (talk) 08:39, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Retired?
Finlay has not technically retired. There is no source for him retiring. He has been used at house shows and not on TV. So until a source can verify he retired, it will be removed. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Date of Birth
Finlay says on his RF Video Shoot Interview (taped sometime in autumn of 2011) that his age given "everywhere" is wrong and he is actually 50. I won't edit his age on the article because I haven't got a correct DOB to change it to. HappHazzard (talk) 22:55, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Removed External Links
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 * Gerweck profile
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His son, David.
Its a bit odd that his son David Finlay (Dave Finlay the Third?) has no wikipedia page as of this writing. He's listed on the NJPW page but has none of his own. I don't know a lot about Finlay's boy but I suggest someone gather some sources and post an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:9800:5C0:D52B:27FF:85B7:2F11 (talk) 09:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Move article name to Fit Finlay
Finlay, throughout his career, is more commonly known as Fit Finlay rather than Dave Finlay. Please consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.242.190 (talk) 11:39, 29 December 2019 (UTC)