Talk:Five Finger Death Punch/Archive 1

Photographs
Hey, I just wanted you guys to know that I found a bunch of photographs from the Mayhem Festival on Flickr under a free liscense (here). If you'd like to use them I suggest you upload them to Wikimedia Commons, if you need any further help with it I'd be happy to help, just drop me a line on my talk page.  REZTER  TALK   &oslash;  00:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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Yes you are dead wrong...
There are two official monitoring systems:

BDS owned by Nielsen and the other one is Media Base... If you are getting your data from some website that's lagging on updates (such as billboard.com) - that's 2nd hand data at best. (Btw. Billboard itself gets the data from BDS)

The correct positions are #7 on both. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.141.238 (talk) 01:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Darrell Robert's Departure?
Darrell Roberts is listed under former members, however the band's official site has no reference to his departure. We need to either verify the change or remove that section from the page. Strat0master14 (talk) 17:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

On their myspace page they addressed it, really that page is more of the news for them than anything, also it can be found here http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=112843 -- Shatterzer0 (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thrash? Groove?
Sorry but where the hell did this come from? They sound absolutly nothing like Groove Metal or Thrash Metal. They sound alot more like an Alternative Metal band and have been associated with bands like that. They just don't sound extreme enough to be either of those genres. -Snook666 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snook666 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Id have to agree with Snook666 they are more like Alternativ Metal with a bit of Groove Metal, definetly not Thrash Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.177.74 (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Neither. And they are in no way, shape or form, metalcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vayhemar (talk • contribs) 22:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

nah, they're groove/thrash...just not excellent representatives of groove or thrash. they aren't metalcore, agreed, and they really aren't that alt metal unless you've only heard never enough or the bleeding. they use a lot of thrash riffs, thrash/groove drumming, and plenty of melodic guitar solos, not really alternative metal style. the only thing that makes them even somewhat alt metal is ivan moody's clean vocals, but then you could even argue that bands like all that remains and killswitch are alternative metal nowadays. Itachi1452 (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that they are indeed a Groove/Thrash band. In fact on their official site they have a bunch of reviews that state that the band has fused the Groove and Thrash genres together perfectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.174.211 (talk) 00:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We shouldn't rely on a bands site. I'd say not metalcore, probably not thrash but somewhat groove.  It does have a numetal slant.118.208.96.226 (talk) 04:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

The sources for thrash and groove are very poor. I dont understand how anyone can consider that putting thrash and groove as FFDP's genre is ok. If you know anything about those genres you wouldnt even think of FFDP. They are pretty much American Heavy Metal, and Alt Metal.

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Genre
5FDP Is a New Metal o Alt Metal with Groove and Thrash elements, Groove Metal is Machine Head, Prong, Chimaira, Lamb Of God, Throwdown (Venom and Tears), Soulfly (Dark Ages, Conquer), Sepultura (Chaos AD, Dereck Green era) change this labels

I don't know who posted this, but you are a flaming idiot like Fezmar9.Morbus Rising (talk) 23:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

people who have only heard 5FDP's singles should stop trying to edit the genres on this page. Ducky610 (talk) 05:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Confusion
I'm confused about the following statement within the article. "5FDP not just repeated but surpassed their first single's success with their follow up "Never Enough". The song climbed even faster to top 10, until the 3rd single "The Way of the Fist" took its place." Why am I confused you may ask. The Way Of The Fist wasnt an actual single so there is something fishy with this statment. I thought "Stranger Than Fiction" was their third single. Apks94 (talk) 10:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Walk Away
why isn't there a wiki page on this song?David1287 (talk) 22:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a charted song so if you can get enough info about it, it should be made without it being deleted. Here's a thought why don't you make it since you are complaining about it not being there. Remember BE BOLD.--Everyone Dies In the End (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Genre talk
they are heavy metal, too. put it back in the genre list174.61.35.159 (talk) 19:46, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Thrash/Groove Metal?
Please stop adding this. They're not Thrash. Not even Stoner. Thrash Metal is an extreme form of music. This is barely extreme. They're just a heavier version of Nu Metal. I definitely don't hear any Stoner influence here. Look at who they tour with. Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed! And that's their influences. AllMusic.com even categorized it a Heavy/Nu Metal. There's your source & only source right there. You can hear it in the music. So I say once again, DON'T CHANGE THIS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.143.19 (talk) 17:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Metalcore
Can I have some arguements as to how their style is not reminiscent of metalcore? Some of the yelled vocals, most of the clean vocals, and the melodies all seem like they draw influence from atleast hardcore, if not metalcore. Zaruyache (talk) 20:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

umm... ok, the 'yelled vocals' are more reminisant of groove style growls apposed to metalcore style screams, they lack emphesis on breakdowns, the riffs are sound nothing like metalcore. You want metalcore? listen to Atreyu's 'Suicide notes and butterfly kisses', Parkway Drive's 'Horizons' or or Killswitch Engage's 'Alive or just Breathing'. It's somewhere between Groove & Alt metal. Metalcore is a bit of a strech —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.133.30 (talk) 06:50, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

wow thats an awfully inaccurate statement ^ i dont understand the logic FFDP's "yells" are pure metalcore screams and the singing is alt metal the riffs are slow and soft = alt metal how is this groove metal? because it has groove? no groove metal is pantera, white zombie every new metal band like this has "groove" they arent groove metal educate yourselves, pathetic —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesus1777 (talk • contribs) 09:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Supergroup???
Could they be considered a supergroup?168.212.106.66 (talk) 18:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand the way the lead is made kind of gives off that impression, but no, they can't. Jason Hook is the only member of the group that can be considered genuinely famous. And also, despite that all the others have been in other bands before, that's actually how it usually is for sucessful groups, they've all had a part in another band at some point in the past. So if you were to consider FFDP a supergroup, then every other signed band in the world would have that recognition too. •  GunMetal Angel  06:50, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Is "The Pride" by 5FDP a "single"?
To the best of my knowledge, "The Pride" was not released as a "single" (whatever "single" means anymore) by 5FDP. "Remember Everything" had solicitations for a music video, while "Back for More" and "UAOI" were released before the album was published.--Jax 0677 (talk) 19:39, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Nu Metal??????????? WTF?
They're NOT Nu Metal. How are they nu metal? According to the elements of nu metal. Nu metal is supposed to have a fusion of heavy metal, grunge and hip hop with down tuned guitars. Sure they are down tuned but they have no hip hop tones and rhythm. They don't sound funky, their guitar distortions don't even sound grunge influenced or grungy. They have no mid song breakdowns or rapping or turntables. They can't be nu metal. Just because they have lyrics like "Fuck you" being included in it at some points, doesn't mean they're nu metal. If you want real Nu Metal, look up Limp Bizkit or Slipknot or Korn or Linkin Park or EARLY disturbed. Those are nu metal. Five finger death punch is more of groove and alternative metal. Like Pantera or Lamb of God. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 00:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

musical styles and influences
Five Finger Death Punch have referred to their music as "Kind of like stepping on a garden rake while looking at a supermodel. Blissful yet fucking devastating. We have an energy and a rhythmical style that’s different than what’s happening out there. We have songs that grab you and stay with you and rip your face off. Hooks, balls, melodies and energy—that's us." - Jeremy Spencer Examples of Five Finger Death Punch's influences include Metallica, Pantera, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth, Accept, Iron Maiden, Testament, Death, King Diamond, Sepultura, Judas Priest, David Bowie, Prince, etc. as some of their influences.

-TheMetallican — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 00:43, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Discussion about quote from Ivan Moody when singing UAOI at "Pain in the Grass"
There is a discussion taking place about what Ivan L. Moody stated prior to singing Under and Over It at "Pain in the Grass" in Seattle, Washington. Please comment at your leisure, as this quote has been reverted several times.--Jax 0677 (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Nu Metal???
Not a chance in hell are they Nu Metal, changing it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.148.53 (talk) 02:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

How on earth are they Nu Metal or Metalcore????? They are Groove Metal - Thrash Metal it is that simple, whoever is reverting it should either come up with some sources that call them metalcore and nu metal or cut it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.148.53 (talk) 08:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Nu Metal is sourced so i'm adding it [] Syxxpackid420 (talk) 10:38, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

One source used to call them "nu metal"? Well, I'll just say the band are more groove metal. Also, allmusic did NOT say that they're nu metal, plus allmusic tags are NOT reliable. Because allmusic puts random tags there, they put post-grunge for blink 182, black metal for trivium, emo for a7x, and others. Please ask this guy for more info, also see Identifying reliable sources for more info as well. Allmusic tags are NOT reliable, HOWEVER, its REVIEWS are reliable. And in that overview of the band it called them groove metal, with the groove-heavy thingy and stuff. It's an unreliable source.

Cannicor93 (talk) 03:05, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Allmusic didn't call them nu metal. They aren't nu metal in hell at ALL. They play groove metal. Not a mix of metal, grunge and hip hop. If you want nu metal, look up Korn or Linkin Park. Besides, look at what NoFX's styles are put under at allmusic. NoFX are nothing but a punk rock band, not indie or alternative rock. So there isn't really a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.214.78 (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

It's better to avoid putting "nu metal" in the infobox - it's asking for trouble. Mentioning it elsewhere (such as this article) is probably the best course of action here. I suggest we keep the genres in the infobox short and uncontroversial - "heavy metal", maybe "groove metal" as well, since that's an undisputed genre of theirs (though considering all trace of the subgenre's going to be removed from Wikipedia, it may not be a good idea even to mention that). --LordNecronus (talk) 14:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

That why I also added the source Syxxpackid420 (talk) 12:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And the source was used to put them on the list of nu metal bands, linked above; despite the presence of that source (which was not only totally reliable but very clear about calling FFDP "nu metal"), they're still a controversial entry to the genre. Take a look at the article for System of a Down - there are lots of sources citing them as nu metal (maybe on the article, maybe not, I haven't checked), but nu metal is not mentioned in the infobox. --LordNecronus (talk) 01:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

You're right they should be Nu Metal I will try and find a source for System. I don't quite understand why its controversial, maybe because the nu-metal article is so poor I seem to remember it being longer at one point, half the article is saying some moody old gits don't like it Syxxpackid420 (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't bother. This was extensively researched, and it was determined that SOAD is not nu metal, and that that term should not be used in that Infobox. As for this article, the sources you added are mostly user-edited, with the exception of Allmusic. (Sugar Bear (talk) 02:14, 26 April 2010 (UTC))
 * woah there buddy, listen to Toxcitity and tell me they aren't(Or weren't at one point in time) Nu Metal. 71.87.154.221 (talk) 05:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The only song of thiers that seems to have any Nu-Metal influences is "The way of the fist", the transition that starts about 1:15 in. I don't think it would be reliable for anybody to conclude that they are nu metal. --75.139.110.45 (talk) 23:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Five Finger Death Punch are NOT Nu Metal. They're more of groove metal and alternative metal with thrash and groove and metal influences. Go to my source and search Five Finger Death Punch. They're not Nu Metal. Nu Metal is a mixture of grunge, heavy metal and hip-hop. It has down-tuned guitars with grungy distortions, a heavy metal volume and hip-hop rhythm and structure. It has funky riffs and OFTEN has tritones. It has vocals consisting of singing, sometimes might have rapping and a few growling or screaming at some points. It can contain turntables and DJs and usually has angry lyrics. It's bands like Korn, Slipknot, Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and many among others. Besides, when you guys said 5FDP is on a list of nu metal bands, they weren't on there. But Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source. So I'm going to take off nu metal. -TheMetallican-

MWR
They played a short concert on Camp Arifjan, Kuwait through the MWR for the US military stationed there. Should that be mentioned in the article somewhere? Canine virtuoso (talk) 05:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I would agree, I was surprised to see no mention of the tours. These guys also played in Baghdad and visited our lowly compound. But, I get the idea they do not want publicity for the events. Although, the Bad Company Video is shot during their trip and rumor has it the convoy took fire while they were filming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.185.236.148 (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

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This band is not even close to being "heavy metal"
Everything I've heard from this band sounds like post-grunge, alternative rock/metal, nu metal, or metalcore. There is not a single element of real "heavy metal" in their sound WHATSOEVER. Please, for the love of God, change the genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGrem (talk • contribs) 03:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Metalcore, alternative metal, and nu metal are sll heavy metal sub-genres. So, you said it yourself... They are in fact, metal. --UtahCountryBoy (talk) 17:47, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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