Talk:Flag of Saint David

The recent popularity of the flag of St david can be traced back to September 1998 when a supporter of wales and Cardiff City, A Cardiff based Businessman known as "Muhz", decided to promote the flag from the obscurity of the coat of arms of the Bishop of St David to a position on an international stage.

He arranged for 6 flags to be made in various sizes (one of more than 25 feet in width) and taken to the Wales V Italy Game at Liverpool's anfield ground in September 1998. Subsequently these flags appeared at Cardiff City matches both home and away over the next few seasons, and being a strong visual image were rapidly recognised and often adopted by others. It was apparent that flag was virtually unheard of and almost totally unrecognised at this point. In fact it also appears on the coat of arms of the Bishop of St David in its reverse form, i.e. Black Cross on Gold Background, and although this version was examined at the time it was not considered by its promoter to be a strong enough image.

The motives for the promotion of the flag were two fold: Firstly to produce a flag which was was a strong visual challenge to the English flag of St George, which for years had been adopted by the political far right within the UK, and secondly to provide a more elitist alternative within Wales to the traditional symbols of the Welsh Dragon, which had been widely associated not just with Wales but with its Rugby team, and the Prince of Wales' feathers which has no Welsh significance.

The recent popularity of the flag has surprised its promoter, and is, at the time of writing, almost ubiquitous within the Cardiff and South wales area.


 * I have never seen or heard any inference that the Dragon is associated with Rughby. It may be plaqced alongside Rugby, Leeks, Sheep, Druids and Coal Mines as an item strongly asscoiated with Wales, but I don't understand the abovestatemrnt Dainamo 14:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

"Defaced"
Is the word defaced - in this case in the statement that the flag of St. David was "defaced" by adding the Welsh flag in the upper corner - appropriate? Defaced is a strong word meaning to spoil or mar, as if some harm had been done to the flag by the addition of the Red Dragon. 68.37.14.130 (talk) 01:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See Defacement (flag). The word may have negative connotations, but it is a technical term and in this context it is perfectly acceptable.-- 23230 talk 11:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Removal of speculative 'proposed' flag
Since I haven't found any sources for the existence of any proposal for a defaced flag, I have removed it. The only relevant links showing up in Google was this wikipedia article and references to this article (including satirical references). Dylansmrjones (talk) 20:14, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I also removed the alternative yellow-black version, since a google-search did not show as much as a single instance of this version existing. Dylansmrjones (talk) 20:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Flag of Cardiff
I have removed the unsourced claim that St. David's flag is the flag of Cardiff. The Cardiff pages has [Flag of Cardiff.svg] instead. Bevo74 (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)