Talk:Flame robin/GA1

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Reviewer: Sasata (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Cas, I've signed up for this review. Will have comments here in a day or three. Sasata (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * okay (actually, sort of a null edit as I was just getting this page on my watchlist....actually I suppose I could have just clicked the star above rather than typed all this needless commentary...) :)Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Interested in a lit search for a FA push? Sasata (talk) 19:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes please. I now can get Web of Knowledge via uni library but when you guys use it...it seems to find more things!! So I am interested to see what you get. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * mention sex of individual in taxobox image caption?
 * added Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * what is a frons?
 * might "nondescript" be a better adjective rather than "undistinguished" to described the female color?
 * yes and done Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * citation for etymology of species name
 * done Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Given this, Quoy and Gaimard's name was declared a nomen oblitum and Gould's a nomen protectum." Source?
 * I removed nomen protectum as it is superfluous, and not actually on page which is the source Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Older common names include…" next sentence "Other names include…" reword to avoid repetition
 * tweaked Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "robin redbreast" in the lead vs. "Robin Red-breast" in taxonomy
 * fixed Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * link/gloss lore
 *  dang, the only things i can find aren't good - there is List of terms used in bird topography (which at least has a diagram) and Bird_anatomy. I will expand one and link - probably the latter. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC) Linked to Bird_anatomy which contains a one line description of lore. Needs to be expanded on destination page but provides raw outline as it is.Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Cite needed tag in Dist & Habitat
 * I ended up using the secondary source (Garnett 2000) as it seems to indicate it was a verbal consensus of experts leading to government position rather than published papers Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "… migratory Flame Robins invaded and ecked out their territories …" ecked?
 * ''typo for "eked". fixed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "The Flame Robin engages in a number of aggressive displays, including a breast-puffing display where it puffs its breast feathers, a white spot display where it puffs its feathers to accentuate its frontal white crown, white wing markings or white outer tail feathers." I don't think the last should be counted as an aggressive display in which the bird "engages". Might also want to reword "engage in singing" in the next sentence for less repetition.
 * okay, I've changed engages --> deploys, and used (and linked) the word agonistic, which is broader and covers conflict resolution/dominance/aggression behaviours. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Unlike other robins, the female sometimes initiates selection." clarify "selection"
 * "the female sometimes initiates the site selection" Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Three or four dull white eggs tinted bluish, greyish or brownish and splotched with dark grey-brown measure 18 mm x 14 mm, and are laid on consecutive days." incomplete sentence n/m, looks ok now, verb is "measure" Sasata (talk) 21:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Lit search: looks like there's some room for expansion. Here's what I get from a full Web of Knowledge search for "Petroica phoenicea", with "All databases" selected:


 * Title: Altered timing of avian movements in a peri-urban environment and its relationship to climate
 * Author(s): Chambers, LE
 * Source: EMU  Volume: 110   Issue: 1   Pages: 48-53   Published: 2010
 * ✅ added Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Farmland bird responses to intersecting replanted areas
 * Author(s): Lindenmayer, DB; Cunningham, R; Crane, M, et al.
 * Source: LANDSCAPE ECOLOGY  Volume: 22   Pages: 1555-1562   Published: 2007
 * ❌ unclear - reports on many spp. and diversity in general. Says Flame Robin one of several species that "respond to coarse-scale (farm-level) features such as different farm-level management practices, rather than planting-level features." - but doesn't explain what these practices are in this case. Peripheral I think to gist of study Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Breeding and population parameters of robins in a woodland remnant in northern New South Wales, Australia
 * Author(s): Debus, SJS
 * Source: EMU  Volume: 106   Issue: 2   Pages: 147-156   Published: 2006
 * ❌ this one is about Scarlet and Eastern Yellow Robin (Flame Robin only mentioned in refs) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Flame robins in the Geelong region: a GFNC Project.
 * Author(s): Lingham, Barry
 * Source: Geelong Bird Report  Volume: 2003   Pages: 84-98   Published: 2004


 * Title: Foraging behaviour of Hooded Robins Melanodryas cucullata in the Northern Tablelands of New South Wales.
 * Author(s): Fitri, Lulu; Ford, Hugh A.
 * Source: Corella  Volume: 27   Issue: 3   Pages: 61-67   Published: September 2003
 * ❌ not about species.'' Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: A breeding season comparison of the Tasmanian robins.
 * Author(s): Newman, Mike
 * Source: Tasmanian Bird Report  Volume: 30   Pages: 19-25   Published: 2002


 * Title: The foraging ecology of birds of eucalypt forest and woodland. I. Differences between mates and females
 * Author(s): Recher, HF; Holmes, RT
 * Source: EMU  Volume: 100   Pages: 205-215   Part: 3   Published: SEP 2000
 * ✅ added. ''Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Winter visitors.
 * Author(s): Bartels, Pauline
 * Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading)  Volume: 760   Pages: 7   Published: February 1996


 * Title: Robins feeding on seaweed.
 * Author(s): Wall, Leonard E.
 * Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading)  Volume: 750   Pages: 5   Published: March 1995


 * Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake annual report 1993/94.
 * Author(s): Talmage, Mary Ellen
 * Source: VORG Notes  Volume: 29   Issue: 2   Pages: 60-61   Published: January 1995


 * Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake. Annual report 1992/93.
 * Author(s): Talmage, M.E.
 * Source: VORG Notes  Volume: 28   Issue: 1-2   Pages: 33-34   Published: 1993


 * Title: Robin's nest.
 * Author(s): Zipkas, C.
 * Source: Bird Observer (Nunawading)  Pages: 19   Published: 1992


 * Title: HABITAT USE AND FORAGING BEHAVIOR OF THE SCARLET ROBIN AND THE FLAME ROBIN AT A SITE OF BREEDING-SEASON SYMPATRY
 * Author(s): ROBINSON, D
 * Source: WILDLIFE RESEARCH  Volume: 19   Issue: 4   Pages: 377-395   Published: 1992


 * Title: The migration of flame robins at Albert Park Lake. Annual report - 1991/1992.
 * Author(s): Talmage, Mary Ellen
 * Source: VORG Notes  Volume: 27   Issue: 2   Pages: 56   Published: Summer 1992


 * Title: THE SOCIAL-ORGANIZATION OF THE SCARLET ROBIN PETROICA-MULTICOLOR AND FLAME ROBIN P-PHOENICEA IN SOUTHEASTERN AUSTRALIA - A COMPARISON BETWEEN SEDENTARY AND MIGRATORY FLYCATCHERS
 * Author(s): ROBINSON, D
 * Source: IBIS  Volume: 132   Issue: 1   Pages: 78-94   Published: JAN 1990
 * ✅ incorporated Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: A flame robin near Laura.
 * Author(s): Pedler, L.P.
 * Source: South Australian Ornithologist  Volume: 29   Issue: 7   Pages: 179   Published: 1985


 * Title: Notes on the nesting of flame and scarlet robins in East Gippsland.
 * Author(s): Bedggood, G.W.
 * Source: Australian Bird Watcher  Volume: 10   Issue: 3   Pages: 105-106   Published: 1983


 * Title: Breeding the flame robin in captivity.
 * Author(s): Hamilton, N.
 * Source: Avicultural Magazine  Volume: 87   Issue: 2   Pages: 90-92   Published: 1981


 * Title: Flame robin banding in the Shepparton district, Victoria.
 * Author(s): Fordyce, J.C.
 * Source: Corella  Volume: 2   Issue: 5   Pages: 85-88   Published: 1978


 * Title: A flame robin and the decease of a plant!
 * Author(s): Allenson, E.J.
 * Source: Bird Obsr  Volume: No.,551   Pages: 82.   Published: 1977


 * Title: The flame robin at Mount Wilson, N.S.W.
 * Author(s): Reynolds, E.G.
 * Source: Corella  Volume: 1   Issue: 1   Pages: 17   Published: 1977


 * Title: Baby birds learning.
 * Author(s): Galbraith, J.
 * Source: Victorian Naturalist (Blackburn)  Volume: 94   Issue: 12   Pages: 77   Published: 1977


 * Title: Report on wintering flame robins in the Cobram district, Victoria.
 * Author(s): Bateman, M.
 * Source: Australian Bird Bander  Volume: 13   Issue: 3   Pages: 47-52   Published: 1975


 * Title: The effect of a bushfire on the banding of flame robins in the Brindabella Ranges.
 * Author(s): Stokes, A.
 * Source: Australian Bird Bander  Volume: 13   Issue: 4   Pages: 75-76   Published: 1975


 * Title: Strange behaviour of flame robin Petroica phoenicea and other observations.
 * Author(s): Klapste, J.
 * Source: Bird Rep.  Volume: No.,525   Pages: 47   Published: 1975


 * Title: Notes on banding nesting flame robins.
 * Author(s): Hough, K.
 * Source: Australian Bird Bander.  Volume: 10   Issue: 2   Pages: 32-33   Published: 1974


 * Title: Banding of flame robins at Mount Buller.
 * Author(s): Reilly, P.
 * Source: Australian Bird Bander.  Volume: 10   Issue: 2   Pages: 31   Published: 1974


 * Title: The Flame robin on Wilson's Promontory.
 * Author(s): Cooper, R. P,
 * Source: Aust. Bird Watcher  Volume: 3   Pages: 227-235,   Published: 1970
 * ✅ incorporated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Flame robin banding at the You Yangs.
 * Author(s): Pescott, T.
 * Source: Aust. Bird Bander  Volume: 7   Pages: 3-6   Published: 1969


 * Title: COMPOSITION OF FLAME ROBIN FLOCKS WINTERING IN TASMANIA
 * Author(s): THOMAS D G
 * Source: Emu  Volume: 69   Issue: 4   Pages: 240-241   Published: 1969
 * ✅ incorporated.'' Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Flame robin banding and observations at Langwarrin.
 * Author(s): Reilly, P. N.
 * Source: Aust. Bird Bander  Volume: 6   Pages: 3-4   Published: 1968


 * Title: A flame robin trap.
 * Author(s): Reilly, P.
 * Source: Aust Bird Bander  Volume: 6   Pages: 82-83   Published: 1968


 * Title: Xanthochroism in scarlet robin, Petroica multicolor, and flame robin, P. phoenicea.
 * Author(s): Wall, L. E.
 * Source: Emu  Volume: 66   Pages: 297   Published: 1967

✅ added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Flame robin survey.
 * Author(s): Ipsen, J. C.; Reilly, P. N.
 * Source: Aust. Bird Bander  Volume: 2   Pages: 110-111   Published: 1964


 * Title: Nesting of the flame robin at Creswick, Victoria.
 * Author(s): Cowley, R. D.
 * Source: Aust. Bird Watcher  Volume: 1   Pages: 114 and 116   Published: 1960


 * Title: Flame Robins with young in northern Victoria.
 * Author(s): Watts, F. A.
 * Source: Emu  Volume: 59   Pages: 222   Published: 1959
 * One instance of parents feeding young birds which could fly, in Kingower Ranges near Inglewood. Need to double check overview of feeding to see of warrants adding Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC) Secondary source had better summary of overall evidence. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Title: Ground Thrush inland at Deniliquin, N.S.VV. Flame Rollins" foot pattering ' feeding habit.
 * Author(s): Hobbs, J. N.
 * Source: Emu  Volume: 54   Pages: 278-279   Published: 1954
 * added Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all the lit-search - alot of it is hard to access and is isolated records here and there. I think I have most of the good bits now, and Higgins does a great job summarising just about everything we know - can you get any I haven't marked as done/not done above (I will double chekc the last Emu one)? Long shot I know.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked, but don't have access to any of the Oz bird journals. Well, everything looks to be in order in terms of GA criteria, so I will promote the article now. Good luck at the FAC (if that's the next stop). Sasata (talk) 00:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)