Talk:Flaming Doctor Pepper

Article name: Dr, Dr., or Doctor?
This article has moved back and forth between "Flaming Dr Pepper" and "Flaming Dr. Pepper" (note the difference in punctuation). It has finally come to rest at "Flaming Doctor Pepper" after deliberation between disco spinster  and  Will  scrlt , a member of Mixed Drinks WikiProject, in May 2008 and earlier deliberations between several people in January and February 2007. Here is a copy of the recent discussion and also analysis of the Wikipedia guidelines leading to this decision.

Please add to the discussion if you agree or disagree, but please do not move the article again until, and unless, a clear consensus develops involving more people or some other guideline or policy that we missed clearly indicates that we should make (another) change. Thanks!

 Will  scrlt ( Talk ) 04:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC) and  disco spinster   talk  02:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Nomination for DYK
This article is too short and incomplete to be featured in DYK. I think you may want to add these things to it:


 * Invention of this drink: who? when?
 * Its evolution: early recipe -> current ones (variations)
 * Why it tastes like Dr. Pepper?
 * Trivia: Its lovers and haters (e.g. James Bond loves it; Fred Flintstone hates it)
 * Why didn't people just add vodka to Dr. Pepper? (How about Flaming Coke? Flaming Fanta? Flaming Pepsi? Flaming root beer? Flaming tom kha gai? Flaming vodka??? (Smirnoff + Absolut; taste + brilliant marketing))
 * Markets (all bars in Ethiopia supply it, no one sells this thing in Los Angeles ...)

WP:NOT
Wikipedia is not just a cookbook. You may want to expend this article in light of this fact. -- Toytoy 01:23, Oct 15, 2004 (UTC)

Plastic cup
I found this article hilarious. My only gripe is that when someone says to use a "plastic cup" I think of a really low-grade, single-use kind of cup, which probably wouldn't work if the beverage was on fire. --Mr Bound 13:51, Oct 17, 2004 (UTC)
 * the plastic cup contains the non flaming beer portion of this beverage. the flaming shot is extinguished by the beer and there is little risk of the plastic cup melting. Alkivar 17:13, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Plastic shouldn't and doesn't have to be used, I've never seen it used myself (use a glass with a thick bottom, found in most bars - glass beer mugs work best).
 * plastic is recommended because drunks tend to chip the shots when dropping them into a highball glass. take it from this ex-bartender :) Alkivar 01:54, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I believe the reason that it isn't just vodka and Dr. Pepper is because it is a suprise that it tastes so close to Dr Pepper. I did a little research and found this page which has this story:
 * The original Dr. Pepper was first invented in a local night club called "The Goldmine." And the true recipe calls for 3/4 mug of beer (the better the beer the better the taste) or however much it takes to cover the shot glass. Then take a shot glass and fill it 3/4 the way with amaretto and top it off with Everclear (180 proof). The reason it changed is most of the country can't get Everclear so a sutitable substitute had to be found, so 151 was used, which is a more popular alcohol. Then take the shot glass, light it, drop it, drink it. And that is the whole story.
 * If anyone can validate that, awsome. Also from a Dr Pepper Usenet FAQ (1998)
 * "Just got back today from the Dublin bottling plant and museum. There has been a lot of debate on what flavor Dr Pepper really is, so I asked Mr. Kloster [Bill Kloster], the plant owner, who has worked in that plant for almost 60 years.  According to him, Dr Pepper is a mix of 23 different fruit flavors. The original creator wanted to create a drink that tasted like the smell of a soda shop.  When you walked into a soda shop in that day, you smelled all the fruit flavors of the different sodas all mixed into one. So he basically took a bunch of flavors and mixed them, and came up with Dr Pepper.  He said Dr Pepper does not and has never had prune juice in it."
 * I believe the main flavor is cherry, look at a Mr. Pibb can sometime, which is the reason Amaretto is used. Also, I'm giving you the heads up: I'm going to add a suggestion of using a dark beer instead of "beer". Many people suggest this, and that is how I tried it the first time. JoeHenzi 08:29, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * "I believe the main flavor is cherry, which is the reason Amaretto is used." that makes no sense as Amaretto is an ALMOND flavored alcohol. Alkivar 01:44, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * While that may be true, many people find the tastes and aromas of cherries and almonds to be similar. Recall, if you will, that both are members of the genus prunus.  Along with almonds and cherries, another member is the plum.  A prune is a dried plum, and this is probably the origination of the legend that Dr. Pepper contains prune juice!  (Science trumps voodoo any day.)JD79 15:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced article
I think this article is misplaced. It shouldn't be in wikipedia. I suggest to remove this article and: --Alexandre Van de Sande 16:43, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Move all the article with the recipe to the Wikicookbook
 * 2) redirect this article to a subitem in the article Cocktail, with just a reference to Faming dr.Pepper


 * Obviously the article has undergone much improvement since this suggestion was made, and it not longer applies. --  Will  scrlt ( Talk ) 04:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Bad cocktails
I randomly visited about a dozen cocktail pages. They are ALL as bad as this article. Blue Hawaiian even redirects to cocktail. A unified cookbook interface will be great. Otherwise, a long page with all recipes will still be useful. -- Toytoy 18:00, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)

Link to WikiBooks: Bartending
The linked article contains a totally different drink, with no fire or everclear/baracardi 151. So I removed it for now.

Simpsons
Made myself a Flaming Dr Pepper last night. Very nice. Anyway I'm pretty sure this wasn't the inspiration for the Simpsons episode as there are a number of flaming cocktails and this one seems one of the least similar.


 * I'm with this guy. The Flaming Moe is made completely differently. It does not have a shot dropped in it, it tastes horrible until set on fire and it has completely different ingredients. What was the basis for stating the Flaming Moe is based on a Flaming Dr Pepper? The only thing they seem to have in common is the fact that you set them on fire, and there's more than one flaming drink in existance. --Teddywithfangs 04:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Origins, names, and other changes
I could not find any reliable sources backing up the claim that the Ptarmigan Club was the origin of this drink. I know that Google results indicate that is true, but evaluating the actual content of the various links, it appears that they are only reprinting information found here at Wikipedia. Most of the information concerning the Gold Mine being the source seems to come from an AOL City Guide article making that claim. It is difficult to tell how reliable that article is since it is unsigned and undated. I was not able to determine how their articles are written (by professional journalists or common bar patrons for example). I did find several comments from average patrons that Gold Mine makes the best tasting Flaming Dr Peppers, but not really any indication that they did or did not create it.

I could not find any reference to the name vice Peppar, except Wikipedia itself, so I removed that name. Flaming Dr Pepper, Flaming Dr. Pepper, and Flaming Dr. Peppar are all fairly common search results. To help avoid confusion by readers, I created a section concerning the names. To avoid a self reference, I did not mention why our article is named "Doctor" instead of "Dr." or "Dr" (see the top of this page if you are curious).

I cut the Dr. Pepper shandy section to about half its size. I'm still not convinced that it even belongs in an article about Flaming Doctor Pepper. On the other hand, I don't know where else it would fit any better.

Does anyone know how relevant the Hot Rod film reference is under popular culture? If it's just a passing mention, it's just trivia and should be removed. If it is significant in the movie, then that should be expanded upon.

--  Will  scrlt ( Talk ) 08:54, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The current cite does not support the claim of Ptarmigan Club. There are sources indicating Dave Brinks of The Gold Mine Saloon is the creator.  The article really needs to be updated.-- Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 23:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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