Talk:Flannel

Old discussions
Is there any evidence for the statement that the TV ads for paper towels may have insinuated a view of flannel as a token of homosexuality? This sounds more like one individual's POV than anything grounded in public opinion. -- LGagnon 23:40, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

No, this is not true. Michaelbrown loves flannel and he is most definitely not gay. He did go on a mandate once, but that was just a big misunderstanding, and I don't think he's been on one since.

"Flannel is a cloth that is commonly used to make clothing and bedsheets. It is usually made from either wool, wool and cotton, or wool and synthetic fabric"

That's wonderful to know, but it doesn't define what flannel is. If you were looking at a piece of fabric this description doesn't help you answer the question of whether it is flannel or something else.

What characteristics define flannel as distinct from any other piece of fabric? All the rest of the info is just extra background.

This entire article appears to be plagiarized from. I also agree that this article doesn't actually shed any light on what flannel is or how it is made. --Jaurisova6 13:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I can assure you that this article isn't plagiarized. Unless someone has changed it dramatically since I first started writing it, it should be mostly my own original work. -- LGagnon 21:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * That website lists Wikipedia as a source at the bottom of the page, so this article is most definitely not plagarized. Chaos386 19:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Interesting.. Google Page Creator preview template links to here. SYSS Mouse 16:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

70s?
I don't remember flannel being popular with rock musicians until the 90s. The 70s and 80s rock stars tended to wear more flamboyant clothes. -- LGagnon 12:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Creedence Clearwater Revival were noted for wearing it, which in turn inspired The Minutemen to wear it. WesleyDodds 02:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That doesn't sound like popularity but the mere fact that someone wore it. It still wasn't widespread. -- LGagnon 13:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * NEIL YOUNG wore a lot of flannel in the 70s. Is he legit enough? 72.79.194.113 03:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Blue Collar/ Lumberjack image
I'm surprised nothing is said about flannels in blue collar, lumberjack culture. They were wearing flannels long before the grungies in the 90's.

I second this observation. The lumberjack culture is an essential topic.

Removed Michael Palin image
Image:Lumberjack Song.png was used here as an illustratation of a plaid flannel shirt. This doesn't meet our fair use criteria for a copyrighted image, so I've commented it out. I looked for a replacement on commons, but nothing turned up. FreplySpang (talk) 17:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Who's that geek Dylan Hahn?
That picture should really be removed and replaced with something more relevant to the subject of flannel and flannel-related items.

-lol, seriously, what the hell

-- instead of going all out and deleting the picture, I went halfway and recaptioned it. After all, it IS a picture of a young man wearing flannel. It's just that no one gives a crap about Dylan Hahn :P

-I know right? Who actually cares enough to post a picture of himself in flannel? At least he is good looking.

cleanup tag
the whole article needs overhauled. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.70.143.93 (talk) 04:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I have removed the cleanup tag, having attempted to tidy the article up, by moving some material to Flannel (food) and Flannel (disambiguation). I have added a litle new material, but probably not comprehensive enough.  I am uncertain as to the correctness of some of the 'History', but have not interfered much with what I found.  Peterkingiron 16:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Flannel in Popular Culture
I liked how before there was a list of famous flannel wearers and was wondering if we could re-instate the list under the section, Flannel in popular culture. I was thinking we could include the likes of Kurt Cobain, Easy-E and Paul Bunyan, what do you guys think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetrex (talk • contribs) 15:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

You're missing the person most known for flannel, Norm Abram. He is the inspiration for Al Borland, from Home Improvement. 75.86.170.211 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC).

Baize
I am unhappy about the reference here to baize. Bays (like Says) was one of the so-called new draperies introduced in the 16th century, not 17th. Furthermore many new draperies were worsteds not woollens. The statement needs correcting, but I am not sure how. Peterkingiron 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Flannel: Statement Verification
I'd be interested to know where the evidence for this statement is please:

"In fact, in some countries (e.g. the United Kingdom), it is illegal to sell flannelettes under the name 'flannel'."

Cookro 15:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Terminological morass
A fundamental problem with this article is that it is not about one kind of fabric, but two. In Britain, apparently, flannel is a form of wool fabric, but people sometimes pass off cotton versions as the "real thing". In the US, flannel is a form of cotton fabric, and I think most people would be upset to order a flannel shirt and get one made of wool. With such a strong distinction in usage, it might be an easier article to maintain if some attempt were made to explain the differences in an evenhanded way, state which country's terminology will be used, but to avoid disparaging the other terminology as being erroneous. As an American, I think I can claim to be unbiased in suggesting that the British terminology be used, if only because they have a word "flannelette" which can be used to talk about the cotton version. Mark Foskey 17:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me, Marl. In some contexts (tailoring for example) US flannel is also a wool fabric (the gray-flannel suit).  The connection is that flannel is a brushed, lighly napped fabric. - PKM 20:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Flannel wearers
I do not know enough about the characters named to know whether they are notable. However, I would appreciate it is some one could prune the list of red links for any persons who are not notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dictionary time

 * Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary
 * Collins English Dictionary
 * Canadian Oxford Dictionary
 * American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language

flannel
M-W:
 * 1) soft twilled wool or worsted fabric with a loose texture and a slightly napped surface
 * 2) a napped cotton fabric of soft yarns simulating the texture of wool flannel
 * 3) a stout cotton fabric usually napped on one side

Collins:
 * 1) a soft light woollen fabric with a slight nap, used for clothing
 * 2) "flannels" (plural) trousers or article of clothing made from flannel
 * 3) see Cotton Flannel
 * 4) British term for what North Americans call a washcloth (Collin-Robert Senior tells me it's also called "face flannel")

Canadian:
 * 1) any of various loose-textured soft woollen or synthetic fabrics of plain or twilled weave and slightly napped on one side
 * 2) see flannelette

American:
 * 1) A soft woven cloth of wool or a blend of wool and cotton or synthetics.
 * 2) (flannels)  Outer clothing, especially trousers, made of this cloth. or Underclothing made of this cloth.
 * 3) see Flannelette

It wouldn't hurt for whomever wrote "citation needed" in reference to the colloquial meaning of Flannel in England, to look into a British English dictionary (e.g. Chambers) to conclude that Flannel is used to refer to waffling soft-soap talk to evade an issue or butter someone up. Instead of boringly writing "citation needed", a reference could have been added.Marcvanderloo (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

flannelette
M-W: a lightweight cotton flannel

Collins: a cotton imitation of flannel

Canadian: a napped cotton fabric imitating the texture of flannel

American: A soft cotton fabric with a nap

nap
M-W: hairy or downy surface

Collins: raised fibres

Canadian:
 * 1) the raised pile on textiles
 * 2) a soft downy surface

American: a soft or fuzzy surface

cotton flannel
Collins: (also "Canton flannel") a plain-weave or twill-weave fabric napped on one side only

other source: a stout cotton fabric with nap on only one side [syn: Canton flannel]

worsted
M-W:
 * 1) a smooth compact yarn from long wool fibres, used especially for firm napless fabrics
 * 2) a fabric made from worsted yarns

Collins:
 * 1) a closely twisted yarn or thread made from combed long-staple wool
 * 2) a fabric made from this, with a hard smooth close-textured surface and no nap

Canadian:
 * 1) a fine smooth yarn spun from combed long staple wool
 * 2) fabric made from this

American:
 * 1) Firm-textured, compactly twisted woolen yarn made from long-staple fibers
 * 2) Fabric made from such yarn

winceyette
Collins: a plan-weave cotton fabric with slightly raised 2-sided nap

other source: A lightweight napped cotton fabric used for nightclothes ... a light-weight fabric, originally and usually of cotton, raised on both sides, the weave usually being plain or twill. 

So how many "flannels" are there?
Maybe we need the following subsections in the article:


 * Wool flannel (which will include worsted)
 * Flannelette (which will include winceyette)
 * Cotton flannel (the one that's referred to as stout)
 * Other meanings (include face flannel as washcloth)

And somewhere mention that they can be blended with each other or with synthetics...

--Sonjaaa (talk) 06:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a good suggestion, except that I do not think that worsted should not be referred to at all (except possbly in passing): "worsted" is made from long stapled combed wool, whereas "woolens" are made from short staple carded wool. (Or am I getting confused?).  Flannel is one type of woolen cloth.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Plaid
Flannel and plaid can be used interchangeably since they mean the same thing. This page should be merged with the Tartan page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.179.119 (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC) "I'm wearing flannel pajamas and they definitely aren't plaid.24.22.78.248 (talk)"
 * Rubbish -- Plaid and tartan may be similar - a traditional Scottish fabric. Flannel is definitely not the same: it was made in Wales, though probably not exclusively.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The assertion in the article that “flannel” is synonymous with “plaid” or “tartan” is uncited; it seems like POV and also highly dubious - you could easily have a non-flannel, un-napped tartan shirt, and you could also have a self-coloured flannel shirt (the photo is currently of a self-coloured blue flannel shirt, for example). It just adds more confusion to an already confusing article - and it doesn’t even mention the “face flannel”, which is a napped cotton towling wash-cloth! Jock123 (talk) 21:22, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Decennial categories
Flannel has been made for centuries. Why is it only categorised for 1990s, 2000s and 2010s, not 19th century fashion, etc? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Flannel. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070420161245/http://www.newtown.org.uk/history.htm to http://www.newtown.org.uk/history.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 02:37, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Winceyette
Should mention since it redirects here. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC).