Talk:Flash (Jay Garrick)

Infobox streamlining
Please see revelant topics at WikiProject Comics/templates and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics. Thanks. dfg 06:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Copy editing and rewrite
Could someone explain why the rewrite and "needs copy editing" headings are there. The article could maybe use some clean up but I see no reason to rewrite it completely and it is more or less organized at this point. I'm going to remove the headings, someone else can re-add them if they think it needs it. Editfromwithout (talk) 01:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Renaming
Would anyone object to a name change to "Flash (Golden Age)"? He's probably better known by his superhero name, and it isn't like he's had any other identities. WesleyDodds 04:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure it's the best idea. He's seen more appearances since the end of the Golden Age than he did during it, and it looks like he might be a strong supporting character if not the Flash the new Flash comic. I just don't feel that it's really an appropriate name for him. The tendency has been to call variations that merit their own page by their real name (Kal-L, Dick Grayson, Jaime Reyes, Hal Jordan, Wally West, etc.) Maybe a redirect from there.CovenantD 05:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've discussed the tendency to name characters by their civilian names elsewhere, and I haven't got a clear response for it. I can understand using the civilian name if the character has had a number of aliases like Dick Grayson or Hal Jordan, but when it's merely a different version of the same character, I find a lot of inconsistency.  For example, the Sandman and Starman characters are all named with modifiers in parentheses, which I feel really helps searching and disambiguation.  A lot of people don't know these characters' civilian names, and it's a bit much to expect people to.  WesleyDodds 06:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What about "Flash (Jay Garrick)"?? Roygbiv666 02:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * That's certainly fine. As long as "Flash" is there in some form.  Most people if they're interested in searching for the character  through various means for various reasons probably wouldn't be familiar with just "Jay Garrick".  WesleyDodds 22:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What makes you think that they'll know to enter Flash (Jay Garrick) then? Of the two, I'd say Jay Garrick is the clearer option. I think it's a really poor naming system, but whatever. CovenantD 23:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, there would still need to be the main "Flash (Comics)" entry, but the sub-entires for the various Flashes could be called "Flash (Secret Identity)" Roygbiv666 00:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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Removal of false info
I removed the following section:

"There's a younger counterpart of Jay Garrick who wears a similar costume but seen in The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #6 (2006). Another version of Garrick (or a character in a similar costume) appears in 52: Week 52 (2007) on "Earth-2"."

because that version is the original Garrick. The "youthfulness" is the result of his aging being slowed down. I have those issues mentioned and I made sure to check the validity of this.

Mercury's Helmet
Mention may be helpful, under powers and abilities to list Jay's helmet. Not only is it a fashionable and stylish nod to the God of Speed, but also it has been used on several occassions as both an offensive and defensive weapon. I wasn't sure how notable this was, but I wanted to throw the idea out there.66.109.248.114 21:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required
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C-Class rated for Comics Project
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Reference to "golden age" in fictional biography
"The Flash soon became one of the best-known of the Golden Age of superheroes." This sentence in the "Justice Society of America" sub-section under "Fictional character biography" has a "citation needed" tag, which I guess has to be addressed, but I think there may be another problem here. What this should mean in this context is that the Flash became well known in-universe, preferrably during a time which would in-universe be thought of and spoken of, at least in retrospect, as "the golden age of comic books". However, the link to Golden Age of comic books - a real world concept, that even if it does exist inside the DC Universe wouldn't from an in-universe perspective necessarily be seen as relevant in discussion of existing "real-life" superheroes - leads at least me to the conflicting interpretation that are more or less out of place in a "fictional biography": that this is about the Flash's real world fame or that, perhaps, it is about his in-universe fame relative to that of other DC Universe heroes who in the real world are associated with "the golden age of comic books". So: Would a DC Universe inhabitant have a concept of a "golden age of superheroes"? If so, is Golden Age of comic books the right article to link to for this concept? If they wouldn't have such a concept, am I right in thinking it's use here is somewhat problematic? In any case, could the sentence be rewritten to be less open to interpretation without negatively affecting readability? Ever wonder (talk) 15:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I take that to mean, of GA characters, Flash was one of the best-known (or best-selling). It has nothing to do with in-universe.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  00:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Speed dating
Is that Jan '40 date a cover date or newsstand date? TREKphiler  any time you're ready, Uhura  00:32, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Origin
I was reading about this elsewhere and then came across this wiki article with an origin story for Jay Garrick it occurred to me that I should post some scans from his origin story:

http://i.imgur.com/TjY6E.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yA4Ss.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WvG7b.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mjQNh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/5eC5V.jpg

As seen, he wasn't taking a nap near his hard water experiment, he was taking a smoke break and knocked it all onto the floor. (Also seems he was a rather poor student) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.176.74 (talk) 05:31, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 8 July 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. The request has been open for 16 days and has not garnered any support outside the nominator. Egsan Bacon (talk) 13:51, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Flash (Jay Garrick) → Jay Garrick – Consistency - none of the other Flashes are called "Flash (Name)" (i.e. Barry Allen is not called "Flash (Barry Allen)", Wally West is not called "Flash (Wally West)" and Bart Allen is not called "Flash (Bart Allen)". In addition, there is no risk of confusion that could arise from such a move, as there appear to be no other Jay Garricks besides the comic character. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC) Alza08 (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose- Technically incorrect, as Barry Allen's page is in fact Flash (Barry Allen). As that distinction is needed (as there are other Barry Allen's, such as the musician) and can not be changed, I would propose the opposite and, in the interest of consistency, change Wally and Bart to Flash (Wally West) and Flash (Bart Allen) respectively.
 * In the case of Jay Garrick though, there are no other articles besides the one on the Flash character. Because there is no risk of confusion, I propose that we move it. As for Flash (Barry Allen), a Google search, and a Special:WhatLinksHere search appear to show Barry Allen (the Flash character) as the Primary Topic, so rather than keeping that page as its current title, I suggest that it be moved to simply "Barry Allen"--Alza08 (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Well again I disagree. As your primary point for starting the request was "Consistency", and your argument for that was shown to be wrong, it seems to me to be more consistent to have them all be "Flash (Name)". I would also argue that since these characters are primarily known as "Flash" and only secondarily as their real names (in the same way that Superman and Batman are their primary names, not Clark Kent/Kal-el and Bruce Wayne) I would suggest "Flash" be would be the more common search term, i.e. someone would ask themselves "what was the first Flash's name?" type in Flash in the WP search box, then come to Flash (Jay Garrick) rather than just Jay Garrick. Also, most people (as mentioned in one of the previous discussions above) will not know Jay Garrick as a standalone character, but as the "golden age" Flash, so "Flash (Jay Garrick)" to me makes more sense. We'll have to wait for more opinions. Vyselink (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose there are, as far as I understand, no comic books titled "Jay Garrick", or "Bruce Wayne" though there were some titles "Superman and Clark Kent". None the less it is the super aler ego that is generally notable.  GregKaye 22:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment It is consistent with Flash (Barry Allen); --  67.70.32.20 (talk) 04:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * NOTE see related requested move at talk:Flash (Barry Allen) -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose My concern was finding the right Flash. Since flash is a dab page & Flash lists them all, I agree with Alza08, the various Flash pages should be consistent. I would, I think, also oppose moving Flash (Barry Allen) to Barry Allen (or anywhere else) for that reason: keep them consistent. Not to mention, despite Barry being reasonably well known among comics buffs, he's far less-well known generally.  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  14:41, 16 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Creating a separate page for New 52 Garrick?
With the recent continuity changes that New 52 has brought, I think it would be appropriate to split the New 52 section into a new article, named "Flash (Jay Garrick) (New 52)", or something related, especially considering the entire backstory of the character has essentially been wiped clean and replaced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BillyHalliday (talk • contribs) 04:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Complex edit: 3/18/17 UTC
This is written as an edit summary for the edit made at 1:04, March 18 2017 UTC by me.

Fixed ambiguity, consistency, grammatical, punctuation, tense, and whitespace errors. Also deleted probably irrelevant sentence, fixed prose style, replaced comments with "clarification needed" and "dubious - discuss" tags, and added "why?" and "clarification needed" tags. Note: EveDK helped rewrite a few sentences.

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