Talk:Flavouring

Major article here about a major industry. Natural artificial flavorings, flavoring industry, etc. User:Fredbauder

All factory foods do not contain flavorings: e.g. pure orange juice (there are many others). Therefore any assertion that every factory food does contain flavouring is inaccurate and POV. David Thrale 08:54, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Spelling
I propose that the spelling should be changed, and the article moved to flavoring. This would make it consistent with the spelling in flavor. Also, it appears that the majority of the links to this page use the -or spelling. Dforest 6 July 2005 12:30 (UTC)
 * You know the same could be said for the article flavor – changing it to flavour to keep it in line with the spelling of this article. So just leave the spelling of this article as it is, OK ;-) Mark 14:05, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if you check the manual of style, you'll notice that British and American spellings are not supposed to be changed to the other unless there is an overwhelming reason why (The acceptable ones are listed there, and to make it consistent with another stub doesn't count). Basically unless there is a good reason, it should stay at the first spelling the article was written at. This is to avoid conflicts of changing articles back and forth. - Taxman Talk July 6, 2005 13:31 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware of the guidelines. In the first stub version of this, the title used -our but the text used -or. Perhaps it was an oversight, or someone stubbing a broken link. The guidelines suggest to aim to conform, to be consistent within the article, but if in doubt, consider going with the first major contributor's usage. Arguably that would RJHall, who used -or, and his contributions were since changed to British spelling. Elsewhere in Wikipedia, flavor is twice as common as flavour, and many of those articles link here. Let's make it consistent, while it's still a stub.

Also, Google favors flavor 3 times over flavour. It appears to be the predominant spelling internationally. Dforest 6 July 2005 15:50 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the guidelines suggests that what other Wikipedia articles call it should be a factor in the decision, nor google. Using google would be a reason to change almost all British spellings to American, but that doesn't mean it is a reliable indicator of non-online usage. So we're left with the article being started in an ambiguous state. When ambiguous, either usage is then fine. Now that one way has been decided without controversy the guidelines say not to change anything. They are that way specifically to avoid having this very argument on thousands of pages all over Wikipedia. Change it if you want, it's certainly not worth discussing anymore. Nothing in the guidelines suggest making the change, in fact the opposite. - Taxman Talk July 6, 2005 16:53 (UTC)

After reading the talk pages for Color and Honour I realize what a contentious issue this is. While I'd like to see more consistency in Wikipedia, you're probably right that it's not worth arguing about. Perhaps there will be a time when a standard will be agreed upon, until then we have to compromise. Linking to both American & Commonwealth English pages in the top paragraph should reduce the sense of one spelling being considered more 'correct' than the other. Dforest 7 July 2005 01:00 (UTC)

Merge with Seasoning?
Why not merge with seasoning to eliminate dialectal disputes altogether? --User:Evice User talk:Evice Special:Contributions/Evice 13:55, July 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah and I didn't mean to be quite so trite. But certainly flavoring and seasonings are very separate. Flavorings would cover things like artificial grape flavor and vanilla for ex. While seasoning is a much more specific thing. - Taxman Talk 14:34, July 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think that flavouring and seasoning are the same thing. The first sentence in each article makes the distinction.  A flavoring completely changes the taste of a food (which in my understanding applies mostly to factory-produced foods).  On the other hand a seasoning adds flavor or enhances the natural flavor of the food, which implies that you can still taste the original flavor of a seasoned food.  I have removed the merge tags until the issue can be discussed here. -SCEhardt 14:40, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Clarification
I edited the page to clarify that first discovering the molecular structures of compounds is separate from the process of producing the flavoring. The way it was written before made it sound like the whole process of analyzing chemical structure through chromatography was part of the process of mass-production, when in reality it is the first step that ALLOWS for mass production.