Talk:Fleeming Jenkin

Untitled
Where is this from? I found a Gutenberg text about Jenkin, but this isn't it. -phma

It smells like a copyvio and is hopelessly badly structured and discursive in any case. I plan a leisurely cleanup. The first thing is to remove two paragraphs about family history. It's just a question of working out how. I think that I will move them to a new article called Jenkins of Stowting Court then they can survive or fall on their own merits. Cutler 11:38, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Next step is to move all diary entries to Wikisource. Cutler 11:53, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Source
Much of this text originally came from the book Heroes of the Telegraph by John Munro, available at Project Gutenberg:. Lupo 14:12, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, the text comes from Munro (1891): Fleeming Jenkin (hero of telegraphy). Massive inclusion of text from another author without explicit attribution is not how Wikipedia builds its articles. Though the text is in the public domain, its usage in this way detracts from the Encyclopedia.Rgdboer (talk) 21:06, 2 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Since the article was in a state of WP:Plagiarism, several reference tags were added to paragraphs. Looking at policy, there are Attribution Templates that could have been used. Further, editors work to re-write paragraphs that have been lifted whole, but the crew doing this is overwhelmed with cases so I did not list this article. Fleeming Jenkin is yet to have a proper biography that assimilates his text Electricity and Magnetism (1873) and his other writings. Munro has the Ocean Cable business in focus, so our article reflects that.Rgdboer (talk) 21:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

From VfD
A section of this article was moved to a separate article titled "Jenkins of Stowing Court". Following a VfD discussion, that article was deleted. See Votes for deletion/Jenkins of Stowting Court for a record of the discussion. Rossami 21:58, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Pronunciation
"Generally called Fleeming (pronounced "flemming", IPA )"

His name is likely written Fleeming because the Scots pronunciation is.

84.135.209.254 08:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

A section on Jenkin's attack on Darwinism
The sentence about Jenkin's attack on Darwinism (in the Personality and assessment section) is at once insufficient for the reader to really understand Jenkin's objections, and is misleading in suggesting that Jenkin's objections were valid (rather than clarifying that they were merely thought to be valid at the time). It would be of historical and scientific interest to understand how Jenkin tried to use an incomplete science (i.e., Maxwellian thermodynamics as described by the Lord Kelvin) to falsify Darwin's (then) hypothesis of natural selection with such certainty.

Also, it is historically important to document the racism of Jenkin's language in an illustration he uses in his review of Darwinism. What was acceptable then would be remarkable (and unthinkable) to modern minds.

Thus, I propose the addition of a section detailing Jenkin's attack on Darwinism, including a brief citation from his racist illustration (which is very relevant to his attack).

Mavaddat 01:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I now have this in my cross hairs. Needs doing.Cutler 14:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Jenkin's argument about the age of the universe predates atomic theory, and is invalid on physical grounds. More interesting to biology is his argument about mixing, which Mendel invalidated. In modern terms Jenkin said that genetics has to be digital to work, an interesting fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.217.131.136 (talk) 11:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture of Jenkin
A sketch of Fleeming Jenkin was done by an artist (W. Hole) in Jenkin's time. A description and smaller image of the sketch can be found here, but a larger image can be found here.



How can we go about adding this image to his page?

-Mavaddat 01:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Inventor of the supply and demand graphic
Is this claim true? I can't find any citations referring to this. As far as I knew, Marshall was the first to -publish- the supply and demand graph. I'm not sure who first thought of the idea itself though, but they were used in private earlier than Marshall's publication. --70.121.165.220 (talk) 03:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)