Talk:Fleetwood Mac/Archive 1

Untitled
An excellent article, whoever you are who wrote it. Well done. John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.216.17 (talk) 00:01, 19 January 2005 (UTC)

--- Take a look at the spanish version (if you can understand it). It's more or less the same thing. I'm a contributor to that version.

Regards,. Javier - es:Jdiazch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.76.142.130 (talk) 08:26, 11 February 2005 (UTC)

Like any other celebrity ariticle, the use of superlative descriptions is appropriate for fan magazines and not encyclopedia aricles. Unless there is clear documentation accompanying a particular claim (such as album sales or concert attendance), they do not belong here. We can be appreciative of our favorite artists without arbitrarily ranking them and violating Wikepedia's NPOV policy. --Blainster 19:58, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure; my point is that it is not any less POV to call Fleetwood "one of the more creative and enduring rock bands in the world" than it is to call them "one of the most creative and enduring rock bands in the English-speaking world". Both assessments are subjective and POV. I agree the right way to describe Fleetweed's stature is by reference to, say, album sales, position on various billboards and top 50 lists, critical response, etc. Neilc 04:13, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

McVie
The article repeatedly refers to "McVie" without making it clear which of the two McVies it's referring to. I'm guessing Christine, but I don't know much about the band and for all I know it may not even be the same one each time! There are also POV problems as noted above but this is is a big, big problem that makes the article very confusing.


 * Yes, Christine McVie throughout - I checked.... in the course of which, I found that a couple of songs attributed to "McVie" were actually co-written, so I've edited accordingly. I haven't checked whether the songs attributed to the others were really co-written, though.... TheMadBaron 03:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

"Cult"
Regardless of my personal feelings about the The Children of God, to call them a "cult" does not conform to NPOV. Wikipedia%3AWords_to_avoid.--Sojambi Pinola 00:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Not sure "Quasi-religious" is NPOV either. They are a religious group, however strange their methods. Bretonbanquet 13:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * You have to be neutral about that here, you know. Sposato (talk) 23:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Reformatting?
At some recent point, the format of the article was reworked such that the first paragraph is no longer an intro/summary preceding the table of contents. Hence, some of the information may feel a bit redundant. How do others feel about this change? I'm on the fence, myself. Perhaps simply retitling it "summary" or some similar word would take away some confusion. --Sojambi Pinola 00:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Eh. I was being picky.  Actually, I think that's pretty cool as is.  --Sojambi Pinola 00:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Before the marriage the group briefly considered renaming themselves 'Fleetwood Perfect'. Really??? I never heard that before.  What's your source? --Sojambi Pinola 20:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I very much doubt that, since it's well-documented that Christine McVie hated her maiden name, and it's hardly likely she'd allow the band to be named that. Anyway, before the McVies married, she wasn't even in the band.  Bretonbanquet 17:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

smoothing out the read
The article was severely jumbled, jumping from one point in time to the next, then addressing the previous time period, and it did that a few times too many. It was hard to follow. so I've made some adjustments, by all means add to them, but let's keep it chronological so as to avoid making the same mistakes, most of my edits deal with the beginnings of the group, and the line up changes.Jonah Ayers


 * The article does seem a little "gushy" in some areas, which I can work on but overall I found it fair and well written.


 * they produced what is considered their penultimate album, Then Play On, though Spencer was for the most part absent from these recording sessions.


 * That's an incorrect use of the word "penultimate." Penultimate means "second to last," chronologically.  What did you really mean to say?  --Sojambi Pinola 06:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, Jonah/Walter, I'd agree that "nonpareil" is on the right track, if perhaps a tad highfallutin'. --Sojambi Pinola 00:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Penultimate / nonpareil / whatever you want to call it, there is precious little blues on "Then Play On". Apart from 'Show-Biz Blues' and a few bits of Jeremy's on 'Kiln House', Mac had moved on from the Blues as far as their recorded output is concerned. Bretonbanquet 13:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

NPOV Violation?
Maybe I'm not a nitpicker like others, but what's the POV issue here?--DodgerOfZion 07:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Dunno about NPOV but it needs some cleanup for encyclopedic tone. "The Mac carries on" and "as long as both shall live" sounds like fan-wording to me, not an encyclopedia article. There may be other examples I didn't spot. This is, of course, a recurring problem in articles on bands, and the Fleetwood Mac article is by far not amongst the worst offenders I've seen! --kingboyk 01:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Express Train
I removed the sentence about their name evoking an express train. It struck me as suspicious, though if you can cite it, feel free to put it back. --Sojambi Pinola 16:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits and revertions
What's the story with all these identical edits and subsequent reversions? Am I missing something, or is there a point to repeated edits which add nothing except the odd error? Bretonbanquet 23:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a blocked editor, generally known as user:Jonah Ayers, who probably followed user:Sojambi Pinola to here from another article Biff Rose. He edits with sock puppet acounts, which often spoof other usernames, and from IPs. We've had to protect that article and so this has become another outlet for mischief. Sorry for the collateral damage. -Will Beback 00:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I was just a bit puzzled. Thanks for the update. It's a shame that some people can't find anything useful to do. Bretonbanquet 01:27, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you may notice repeat edits/reversions by usernames that look a lot like mine. (different capitalization, one letter changed, etc.) Those aren't me, but a guy with an axe to grind and too much time on his hands.  Yes, it's a shame.  --Sojambi Pinola 19:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Rock N'Roll Band?
Is Fleetwood Mac still a Rock N' Roll Band? Most of their modern music is pop.The Johnian 19:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * they don't have any modern music, and their old music was entirely pop, the usual chart stuff, songs like Everywhere and Diane. Why people think they are Rock is beyond me. AlfredG 4 June 06

That's because prior to being a pop band they were a blues band then a rock band. Bretonbanquet 19:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac is classified as a rock/light rock/pop group by it's album publishers. I would say they still are. Reinhardtzundorf

They're definatly a rock band..just softer on the sounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.31.229 (talk) 03:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Pop and rock are not mutually exclusive. With some bands, there can be a lot of overlap.Scwlong (talk) 02:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Top Heavy!
With all the recent expansion of this article regarding the 1967-74 era, the later era looks really thin. Does anyone fancy balancing this out a bit? This was the big commercially successful era after all, and it needs filling out a lot. Bretonbanquet 20:38, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a shot sometime later this month, if no-one else does. --FleetfootMike 14:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
Anyone else think this part of the article should be scrapped? It provides barely any new information the rest of the article does not already provide. HK51 21:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the trivia comment about Bill Clintons election campaign should be deleted, it is adequately covered in the main article. Deckchair 15:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC) I have deleted the trivia comment about playing for Bill Clinton as it is contained within the main articl and does not need repeating. Deckchair 09:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of the Peter Green era
Hey if anyone can obtain the copyright, I think some pictures of '67-70 era of Mac would help readers see how the band changed. Just suggesting. It seems only focused on the successful era. 19:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Influence Section
The band was/is highly influential. Should have a influence section. Suggestions? --Scieberking (talk) 15:51, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Opening Sentence
I think the opening sentence of Fleetwood Mac (formed in 1967) is an influential and commercially successful Anglo-American band that has had a revolving door of personnel, and varied levels of success. would read better with ...a high turn-over of personnel... or similar instead. While the meaning is obvious I'm not sure about the personnel being a revolving door... surely they passed through a revolving door? Anyways, I'm posting here cos it is the first sentence, I don't want to step on any toes and wonder what you think. Cheers. Monkey Tennis 09:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I think ...a high turn-over of personnel... reads far better than what's currently in the article, sounds more formal. HK51 09:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * OK I'll change it.Monkey Tennis 10:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A Fleetwood Mac WikiProject
Does anyone feel that a Wiki Project should be started on Fleetwood Mac. What needs expanding upon is information about each album, and member, especially Mick Fleetwood. At the moment, most articles are just the plain facts, and not much trivia and information one could find just by typing Fleetwood Mac in Google.

Just a suggestion, any volunteers? 18:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well that was me, and I've created The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac and Live (Fleetwood Mac album) album pages, and edited some others. Please could people help out, like with the 25 years: The Chain, and expanding on all topics...Woody1003, 15:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not writing here to disagree with anything above, but just to say thank you. It's a great article. Had some MP3s of Fleetwood Mac passed to me; didn't know them too well; looked up here and found out all the information I could want. You've done well, people, thank you. 193.203.149.107 22:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Citations Needed
Can anyone find a way to rewrite "The two most successful periods for the band were:" so "most successful periods" is either quantitized or cited? Alvis 05:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac discography
Would anyone object to breaking out the discography section into a separate article, Fleetwood Mac discography? --Mwalimu59 03:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Also made a minor revision to  .  Finally, for consistency with how articles about other bands are organized, I'd like to recommend that Fleetwood Mac single chart positions be merged into it.  --Mwalimu59 17:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * When I created Fleetwood Mac single chart positions I had it in mind to make some kind of discography article and put it all together, so I'd agree with the above proposal - seems logical. Bretonbanquet 19:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I’ve done it. The table at Fleetwood Mac discography was cut and pasted from Fleetwood Mac single chart positions.  I checked to make sure that all the data from the list being replaced was in the table – it was.  I’ve also changed the reference at Template:Fleetwood Mac. Jaksmata 21:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Tension in the band link
This link was added into the article: http://wc6w.50webs.com/wc6wvint/index.html?fr43.html I am unsure whether this link qualifies for encyclopedic inclusion. Though the link has what appears to be newspaper coverage, the sources are not stated. As well, the remainder of the site appears to be commercial. I think it should be deleted, but perhaps the news stories could be introduced. SteinAlive | &#9742; | &#9737; 07:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

The Chain writing credit
I undid a revision by Pittworship claiming that although all five band members were credited with writing "The Chain" from Rumours, Stevie Nicks wrote the lyrics herself. Without a specific citation, I'm not comfortable leaving something like that up there that conflicts with known sources. Henrymrx 15:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nicks did write the lyrics, but the rest of the band wrote the music after piecing together various things each had written. So it's definitely a five-way writing credit, as widely sourced. If there's a specific, reliable source for Nicks having written the lyrics (not a message board, for instance), it could be included, but not at the expense of the full credit given to all five members. Anyway, it's probably an issue to be cleared up at the song's own article. Bretonbanquet 15:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are the pictures?
Article looks too plain needs pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Blizzard King (talk • contribs) 00:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Add some then. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's good to have a new shot that's more recent and has the whole current lineup. Sposato (talk) 23:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Citations & References
See Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the  tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 09:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The Munich accident
Rainer Langhans, former member of a well known German commune, mentions in an article and in his autobiography (February 2008) that he and his former girl-friend Uschi Obermaier met Peter Green in Munich, where they invited him to their (then well known) "High-Fish-Commune".

Langhans and Obermaier were not really interested in Peter Green. They just wanted to get in contact with Mick Taylor.

Langhans and Obermaier wished to organize a "Bavarian Woodstock". They wanted Jimi Hendrix and "The Rolling Stones" to be the leading acts of their Bavarian open air festival. They needed the "Green God" just to get in contact with "The Rolling Stones" via Mick Taylor.

Read more about it, in the "Rolling Stone"-Forum (in German): Greens Trauma-Nacht mit deutschen Kommunarden 1970.

By the way: Rainer Langhans' girl-friend Christa Ritter tells she's gonna make a movie about Peter Green's Munich accident: Peter Green’s (Ex-Fleetwood Mac) Trauma-Nacht mit deutschen Kommunarden 1970. --Popmuseum (talk) 08:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It is fine to include this in the discussion page, but why is it included in the main article?  How does this piece of information further develop our understanding of Fleetwood Mac's history?  It seems to be regarding something called "Bavarian Woodstock" and makes a tangential reference to Peter Green.  Perhaps this should be on the Peter Green page instead.  Does anyone else think this should be removed from the main article of this wiki? 75.197.241.55 (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What happened in München should be on his article if it can be verified. Sposato (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

1971-74 "success"
The paragraph in the intro that compares the 1971-74 period with the preceding and succeeding periods in terms of success is thoroughly misleading and should be changed. No charting singles? Albums that barely charted. How does this compare with Rumours or the singles from the Green era? Also, why on earth does it say "Jazz rock"? Bare Trees - Jazz rock? I'd like to see a cite for that... Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Album sales is unrelated to billboard chart.

Ok, first, sign your comments. Second, a large proportion of the album sales for the 1971-74 albums took place after the success of Rumours, so you're going to have to do better than "album sales", and by that I mean a cite, or it will be removed as unsourced.

How about the Jazz Rock thing? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The Bob Welch-era Fleetwood Mac albums sold moderately well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crstsk (talk • contribs) 23:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly, only moderately well. So it's misleading to compare that period with the zillion-selling late 70s or the chart-topping singles of the late 60s. Which was my original point. It needs to be made clear that, comparitively speaking, 1971-74 was not a success. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I see your thought process. The Peter Green-era Fleetwood Mac albums did not sell well, good for singles though. Crstsk (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, they had high chart hits all over Europe and were a highly successful live act in the late 60s, which can't be said for 71-74. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Green-Spencer period did well at home, but was overlooked in the States. Sposato (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Photo
There is currently a photo of Nicks and Buckingham, where there ought to be a picture of Fleetwood Mac. I accept that this is better than nothing, but a band photo is needed. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

free image please.

I can see you're a person of many words, do you care to elaborate on that? Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac members are living persons and it is possible to obtain a free image per Non-free content criteria  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crstsk (talk • contribs) 23:19, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I realise that, I've been here a while now. So it shouldn't be hard for someone to find one, right? My point is that the picture should be of the whole band, not two members. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree there should be a photo of the whole band. Where can I upload a photo that is Wiki acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Citizenlen (talk • contribs) 02:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Christine McVie
She is not listed as a band member.. is this official? I know Buckingham famously left but they all still tour no? Did in 1997.. was she on the last tour - 2003? Buckingham is still listed as a member. -  maxrspct  ping me  13:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * She left in 1998, and hasn't toured or been an official member since then. Buckingham has been a full member since his return in 1997. Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh no surely not! The best voice.. Oh Christine go lend your skillz again! -- maxrspct  ping me  13:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Orientated / Oriented
With regard to the recent insistence of some anonymous editors to insert "oriented" in place of "orientated" in the lead paragraph of this article, this situation has now been evaded by a rewording edit from another user. However, the article is written in British English, as per WP:ENGVAR, and "orientated" (from "orientation") is the correct term in that context. "Oriented" is an Americanism. Bretonbanquet (talk) 15:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Tusk
I changed "limited commercial success" to "lesser....." because, to my knowledge Tusk, had sold by the early 80's, 4 million copies worldwide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.184.48 (talk) 22:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

"Gypsy" video
I heard on TV once that, at the time, the "Gypsy" video was the most expensive video ever made. It certainly looks like it could have been. I don't have a source, though. 99.141.58.37 (talk) 10:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Their music used in films
I think it might be important to mention that their song 'Big Love' was used in the film 'Elizabethtown' --193.158.41.190 (talk) 12:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

save me
what album is this on?74.196.134.34 (talk) 15:49, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Behind the Mask.. Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I am new here so please bear with me. I have a copy of a double album called "Black Magic Woman" from EPIC records EG-30632 that contain the what I always though were the original tracks recorded. before they changed their style(?) The album has the songs from the album showing the tracks from the one with the album with the cover picture of an alley with trash cans in it. It also contains what I assume are the tracks from another Black Magic Woman album combined into this one production. The cover art fully opened shows a woman lying on I presume a couch. It is in red and black. Cover design : Ed Lee /cover photo: Ruspoli-Rodrigues /Manufactured by Epic Records /CBS inc. /51W 52 St. New York City. Liner notes by Peter Goddard. Does this correlate with anything else on the Fleetwood Mac Wikipedia page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watchbear (talk • contribs) 22:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there, it sounds like an earlier version of the compilation described in the Black Magic Woman (album) article. The album has been issued with various sleeves over the years and includes the band's first album, with the trash can cover as you correctly say, plus a slightly later album on the second disc. Hope this helps. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you go to that article, scroll down to "External links", and click on the link, you'll see a picture of what sounds like the cover of your album. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Mac origins
"The only member present in the band from the very beginning is its namesake drummer Mick Fleetwood. Bassist John McVie, despite his giving part of his name to the band, did not play on their first single nor at their first concerts."

According to the band's official site, this statement above is false. How fix that in the writtings? MachoCarioca (talk) 05:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the comment from 'John'(top of the page)...
Just wondered if it was written by Mr. Scourage? And, wondering if you'll ever read this! It has been a long time since I've seen you...hope you are well. Christine aka Fifi (can't believe I ever answered to that name!)C AnneRoche (talk) 17:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Fleetwood Mac. Singular or plural?
There seems to have been some lively editing in the intro paragraph as to whether it should be "Fleetwood Mac are / is a British ...etc". There's some discussion as to the differences between American and English grammar. This is a red herring. Strictly speaking Fleetwood Mac is a rock band. "A rock band" is singular so the singular verb should be used. This would be consistent with instances in the rest of the article where there are several uses of the singular : "Fleetwood Mac was formed in 1967" (not "were") "Fleetwood Mac was the headliner of the Schaefer Music Festival", "Fleetwood Mac (Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham, Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwan) was inducted" etc but inconsistent with other instances where the plural has been used "Fleetwood Mac added guitarist Danny Kirwan to their line-up", "Fleetwood Mac decided to manage themselves". Similar inconsistencies can be found when tracking the nature of the verbs used in conjunction with the expression "the band" in this article. A band is singular, Fleetwood Mac is a band and so is singular. Uses of the plural in this article generally occur when the writer has meant to say "the members of the band" (plural) but has used "band" or "Fleetwood Mac" as shorthand. It's just sloppy writing. Stephen Kirragetalk - contribs 01:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It might be worth reviewing the advice given at American and British English differences. The two variants tend to treat collective nouns a little differently when deciding between formal agreement and notional agreement, so the writing is not as sloppy as is suggested. "The band" or "Fleetwood Mac" is a perfectly reasonable collective noun and does not require "the members of ..." each time it is used. --RexxS (talk) 02:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I wish people would take the time to check up on these things before denouncing people's editing as "sloppy". "Red herring"? Generally it's merely people's knowledge of the variants of English that is sloppy. Any inconsistencies usually arise from different editors using different forms of English. I'll go through and correct them using the relevant variant of the language. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Lead
per WP:LEAD, the lead should be "up to four paragraphs summarising the article". The first full paragraph about derivation of the band's name does not seem to belong there to me and I suggest it could go into the first section. As I see it, there are four phases to FM's career: (a) 1967 - 70; post-Mayall, Green/Spencer blues band era and initial success up to "Kiln House", when Spencer had left & Kirwan joined (b) post Green/Spencer "wilderness" period, although producing Future Games/Bare Trees/Penguin & departure of Kirwan (c) Retrenchment with Buckingham/Nicks from 75 onwards, Fleetwood Mac/Rumours/Tusk until 1980, Fleetwood Mac Live, little new material due to personal changes and Nicks solo career, then (d) Tango in the Night onwards, major world success regained. The lead might well reflect these phases. Comments? Rodhull andemu  23:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)s
 * Agreed about the first full paragraph, although the second paragraph is lead-worthy, I think. It outlines the two most successful periods and maybe it can be expanded. I'd differ with you just slightly on the four phases. I'd go with a) 1967-70, up to the point Green left, after which success deserted them overnight; b) the wilderness period of 1970-74; c) the massive success of 1975-87 including Tango in the Night, ending with Buckingham leaving, and d) 1988 onwards, with all the personnel changes and hiatuses, a period of relatively minor success until The Dance in '97, followed by all those tours with just the one album to go with them. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, boundaries are somewhat flexible, but certainly the lead should be amended to reflect the structure of the article. I'll pencil it in and make a proposal here. Rodhull  andemu  23:51, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

New Timeline
I've added a new timeline to the personnel section. I feel it is a better representation of the time periods. The dates between the changing of band members obviously aren't exact, but are included in order to create an accurate graphic.

Just a few notes, I've categorized band members other than Fleetwood, Brunning and John McVie as 'Lead' artists. Due to the unique nature of the band, their roles vary from song to song. There isn't any middle ground with these timelines, and it didn't feel right to categorize say C.McVie as just 'Keyboards', when she was one of the joint lead vocalists and songwriters.

The timeline includes the brief reunion of the classic lineup in 1993, the brief return of Peter Green in 1972, and Burnette's absent year from March 1993 to March 1994. JALEXANDER06 (talk) 12:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I've tweaked this - while I agree that part of the magic of the Mac is that just about everyone except McVie and Fleetwood was a 'front person', it is worth, IMO, distinguishing the guitarists (all of whom except Bob Weston sang), Christine, and the three lead singers (Walker, Nicks, Bramlett) --FleetfootMike (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. I think that discerning between guitarists, keyboard players and members who only sang is a pretty basic function of a timeline like this one. It isn't really the function of a timeline to try and imply any kind of equal status among members in terms of their contributions. It looks better right now. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I have actually been changing this myself several times but someone keeps reverting it back to the horrible version it was.Yellowxander (talk) 14:18, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Anglo-American ?
Fleetwood Mac became famous and, as far as I'm concerned, still are famous as a British group. The US contribution was made after their fame had been well and truly secured and in my opnion is negligible.Pamour (talk) 11:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The main US contribution was made after a 4 year period when the band could barely get arrested. Rumours sold 40 million copies. Negligible? Currently, half the band members are Americans. Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

British-American and 1996 Democratic National Conventions
Fleetwood Mac are English rock band and because they morphed over the years and took on some American musicians, doesn't make them British-American. Also why is the Democratic convention linked to Fleetwood Mac in the first sentences. Stating "their profile in the larger society" states the American larger society, making the first paragragh both intrinsically biased in favour of the USA and also providing a contextual link that suggests the Fleetwood Mac exists at the moment, only because of the convention. That's how it reads. It needs to be removed to a suitable place, because its really spoiling the article. scope_creep (talk) 22:05, 4 Feb 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree, the Mac have been 40% American, and based there, since the joining of Buckingham/Nicks in 1973 or so; also 50% American since Christine McVie's departure in 2004. They have been UK/American now for far longer than they were British-only. On the other point, I have no opinion. Be bold and move it. Rodhull  andemu  22:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That was my bit about the Democratic Conventions; since a U. S. President was nominated at each Convention, it was hardly an American-only event IMHO, any more than the Oscars are. Has any other band (never mind any other rock band) ever had their song played at a political event of that magnitude?  After all, it was the actual song, not some brass band doing a cover.  I am certainly not the keeper of the Fleetwood Mac flame, but right now, the introductory section only talks about personnel changes (yawn) and how popular they were in different times.  Is that really all that can be said about this wildly popular band?  You could at least mention Rumours. Shocking Blue (talk) 12:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, fine, I'll do it. Shocking Blue (talk) 23:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Discography expansion
Would it be too much trouble to have the main studio albums listed in the discography? A two-column format would make it less lengthy (but really it's not the longest discography in the world). I come here to see what their last album was really fast, and all I get is: "Main article: Fleetwood Mac discography" and it drives me nuts when I see this on articles. I know I'll get "it's just one more click away", but seriously... just a list of their studio albums, the most important part of any discography, right on the main page, would be nice. –  Kerαu noςco pia ◁ gala xies 06:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Deaths of Bob Brunning and Bob Weston
I've noticed on some band pages they mention in the history when a member/former member dies. Up until late last year none of the members had passed away, and as such nothing to report. However since the latest information on the band's history (May 2011), two of the former members have passed away: Bob Brunning on October 18, 2011, and Bob Weston on January 3, 2012.

There are no specific requirements for such information to be included on band pages (at least none of which I am aware), however it would be nice to discover what the general opinion of this matter is with regards to Fleetwood Mac. SAULGNRFAN (talk) 11:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Band Members
Could do with a full list of former members! Thelostlibertine (talk) 01:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Like this full list and timeline here, perhaps? -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 12:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

English-American band.
Why does it say say British-American band, it is more to the point to say English-American band, all the band members are from England and America... Please can this be corrected?.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.202.107 (talk) 18:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)