Talk:Flemington, South Lanarkshire

Location?
The article and its coordinates are very specific in placing Flemington as (formerly) being between Uddingston and Blantyre in the vicinity of Bothwell Castle, but I'm struggling to find any sources supporting the existence of a Flemington there at any time. There is, however, the nearby Flemington which is a former mining village and now suburb of Cambuslang. Indeed, the only source provided in the article links to information on mining at Flemington in Cambuslang parish, whereas the purported location would be in Blantyre parish. In the absence of any hard evidence for the existence of the settlement currently described, I propose to rewrite and source the article describing the Cambuslang Flemington. Jellyman (talk) 16:59, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I can find Flemington east of Cambuslang on OS Landranger map 64, grid ref NS6559. Donnanz (talk) 13:39, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * There is or was another Flemington between Motherwell and Wishaw (nowhere near Uddingston) which had a Caledonian railway station (Bradshaw July 1922 (reprint), Railway Clearing House Handbook of Railway Stations 1904 (reprint), British Railways Pre-grouping Atlas and Gazetteer, Ian Allan). Its not marked on the OS map though. Donnanz (talk) 14:42, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm not an expert on the Blantyre side of the Rotten Calder but can't remember ever seeing a place called Flemington on maps at the location described. It would probably have caused confusion if it were the case, since Flemington (Cambuslang) was so close. The source provided has no mention of a Flemington other than that in the Cambuslang parish. An online query has previously taken place regarding other Flemingtons here but the source of information for the "Blantyre Flemington" mentioned there appears to be back to this Wiki article.


 * The coordinates fall on somewhere which was called Craigknowe. There was a large colliery nearby at Haughhead which was perhaps owned by the Flemington Coal Co Ltd and marked on maps as 'Flemington' due to this, causing the mistake to be made (although Haughhead is on the Cambuslang side of the river). Another piece of evidence (though not conclusive) is that one of the few articles which link to Flemington, that for the birthplace of Jack Lindsay (footballer, born 1921) has a reliable source (Link) which lists his place of birth as Cambuslang, i.e the probability is that he was born in the place we are aware of, rather than elsewhere.


 * In the absence of anything to the contrary, I would support amending this article. However I have to say that Flemington is now really just part of the Halfway residential area, certainly it has its own historical identity but nowadays very little to discern it from other overlapping parts of that larger district, which is itself part of Cambuslang. There is a separate Flemington Farm (a listed building) and some historic cottages a few hundred yards from the edge of the Cambuslang urban area, but I would be surprised if that merited its own article. So I think a new section in the Halfway article would be sufficient. Crowsus (talk) 02:36, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Flemington is marked very clearly on this 1885-1900 O.S. map from the National Library of Scotland (move slider right to reveal), where the main road between Cambuslang and Blantyre kinks slightly.  It was indeed a mining community, with a mineral line immediately behind the houses which joined the main line half a mile or so to the north.  I presume this is the "Cambuslang Flemington" that User:Jellyman was referring to above.  It matches much of what is in the article, but it's about a mile and a half from Bothwell castle, and a mile from the railway main line.  I would agree with User:Crowsus that it seems likely that there was only this one Flemington, because for there to be two this close would indeed be confusing.  I have therefore updated the coordinates to point to the Flemington on the old OS map. Jheald (talk) 21:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, this is also where both the A Vision of Britain website and the Ordnance Survey  place Flemington. Jheald (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have now made this a redirect to Halfway, if someone wants to add new content relating to the historic community there, fair enough although as I have said above, in my view there is very little there to identify it nowadays other than the local church, the mines and cottages are all gone and there are already articles for the existing communities at Halfway to the west and the newer Drumsagard Village to the east. As for the alleged Blantyre settlement, historic maps show nowhere named Flemington on the road between Uddingston and Blantyre. Again, as stated above, the co-ordinates first provided linked to Craigknowe Farm which was at least in the right area, and was near to one of the pits operated by the Bothwell Castle Company. There was a row of 10 homes at this mine which are not identified by name on the map, nor in the Scottish Mining website, which has a detailed description of them from 1910 here. It is very unlikely these homes would be named after a local rival firm! Nobody else has come forward to present a suggestion which could explain this. Crowsus (talk) 16:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)