Talk:Flight data recorder/old merge talk

These sections are obsolete, closed for no concensus Meggar 06:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

merge?
I disagree with the merge. A merge with black box (systems) would be more appropriate.

- JH

Jep..... merge!!!! --QA

Yes, I agree that the black box article should be merged under this article.

--Sepheris

I disagree with a this merge. The Black box (transportation) page was made only a few days ago by a new user who must not have noticed that there were already pages for Black Box (disambiguation), Cockpit voice recorder, and Event recorder. New information should go into one of those pages. Meggar 05:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I was looking up "Black Box" to find information on Flight Data Recorders. I think it should be merged. - NB

I disagree with merging the articles. There's already a perception problem with the press and the general public, referring to such devices collectively as "black boxes". Wikipedia is a good place for people to get educated. Use disambiguation and "See also" links to direct the reader between the articles. -QuicksilverT @ 20:41, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I can see no purpose in the Black box (transportation) page. No-one is likely to enter 'black Box (transportation)' as a search term. Everything in the page is covered in the Black Box (disambiguation) page and its descendants. IMO deletion not merging is required. treesmill 02:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I think Black Box is a good parent article for all these articles on data recorders. I think "black box" is the most likely term a person would use, since it's the common slang term. Kerowyn 03:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

The fundamental problem is the Black Box page. This should be renamed as, perhaps, Black Box (systems) and Black Box should become the disambiguation page with Black Box (transportation) deleted. Someone entering Black Box looking for information on Flight Recorders (or for other uses of the phrase) would then immediately find a link to what they are seeking. Unless I see some objection to this I shall make the change in a week or so. treesmill 16:23, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that should improve disambiguation. This Black Box idea is a powerful meme. The Black box (transportation) article serves a purpose in as much as it explains why a technical article can’t be written on the subject, and perhaps will avert another round of merging efforts. Meggar 04:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Black box (transportation) should be a general page covering all forms of transport event/voice requirements (air, sea, rail, road?) not just air

merge .. took long to find..


 * Many opinions, no consensus. Merge tag removed. Meggar 01:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

another merge?
I think Flight recorder and Cockpit voice recorder could be merged with this article. - Matthew238


 * The FDR and CVR have always been separate independent units with different inputs, different storage media, and different requirements. No use merging them. Some of flight recorder might me merged but it also mentions other units like QAR and the possible future video recorders.


 * I also believe the articles should remain separate. The devices are quite distinct in their functionality. Further, someone looking for CVR would presumably be redirected to Flight Data Recorder if the articles were merged. This is not the way Wikipedia should work. It should retain all the virtues of a conventional encyclopedia with the advantages that hyperlinking provides. Far better to rely on links between the articles than merge them. treesmill 02:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * 'Do not merge: they are two distinct items. Certainly, a link is proper.  --CoolGuy 18:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge with Flight Recorder and disambigulate from Black Box.  CVR should at the very least be cross linked.  At the moment there is no link between these articles.  Thoglette 15:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I dont see how you can disambiguate this FROM black box. Dr Warren refers to the FDR that he himself invented as the "Black Box" as does the aerospace industry. On recieving an AO (Order of Australia) for contributions to the Aerospace industry in 2002 he was quoted as saying "Its very comforting that the BLACK BOX is now accepted as something beneficial to humanity" http://www.kidcyber.com.au/topics/blackbox.html The entire speech is on the DSTO website which at the time i type this i cant even get access to on our intranet so i cant post you that link. note the name of the book displayed in this link http://www.abc.net.au/newcastle/stories/s1296988.htm The cockpit voice recorder is referred to as just that by aerospace, NOT the black box. The CVR is little more than glorified tape recorder attached to a microphone and is inherently a "Dumb" device. Im pretty damn sure Dr Warren knew by 2002 that the black boxes are always painted bright orange, and yet calls them Black Boxes himself. Also consider the fact that the FDR was invented before any other modern equipment referred to as the Black Box. So far, i have seen no proof to the contrary. the FDR IS the ORIGINAL black box, and should be referred to as such. As a SLANG term, Black Box refers to almost any device that records critical operational data, but does not interfere with the workings of what its attached to, and therefore discludes equipment like a cars Body Control Module which is built to manage the engine and related systems on a car. The Phreakers black box was called a black box because thats what it was, a black box, all it was was something to reproduce DTMF tones, so again cant be dropped into even a similar category. Squad&#39;nLeedah 03:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)