Talk:Flint, Michigan/Archive 1

Neighborhoods
I think the traditional term has mostly been "end," as in North End, South End, rather than "side," at least for "North End" and "South End."

For the African-American neighborhoods, I would remove the sentence "Many of these neighborhoods were the original centers of early Michigan blues" unless proof is offered. I think the only blues performer associated with Flint was the harmonica player Dr. Ross, and he didn't move to Flint until the '50s.

The following sentence: "The South Side in particular was also a center for multi-racial migration from Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and the Deep South since World War II" isn't accurate. This migration was mainly from the Missouri Bootheel and neighboring parts of Arkansas and Tennessee and the people were white. It began during the mid-1920s, declined during the Depression, then picked up in the postwar period. They worked mostly at Fisher Body Corporation and Chevrolet. The area was called "Little Missouri," centering on Bristol and Fenton Roads in Burton.

The original black neighborhood was on Thread Lake and began in the 1870s, with migrants coming from Ontario. This was the origin of the Floral Park and other neighborhoods in the Thread Lake-Lapeer Road vicinity. The community in the North End began had its origins during World War I, when migrants from the South first began working at the Buick foundry. Gradually the neighborhoods on the north side of the Buick complex became black neighborhoods, Southern migrants living among Hungarians and other Eastern Europeans. After 1970, most of the North End became predominately black. They had come mostly from Mississippi and Arkansas.

Photo Montage and additional photos
Flint has enough visual panache to warrant a photo mosaic. Happy to be the second city in Michigan (so far as I know) to have one. I figure if San Bernandino, CA, which is just a little bigger, deserves one, so does Flint. I made one out of my own photographic collection, but it's all digital pictures. I don't have much from the North or South Sides. If someone wants to improve it, the Buick City, Weather Ball, and maybe the Powertrain Photo could be swapped out for perhaps:

- Victorian houses in Carriage Town

- Bungalows in Civic Park, perhaps inc. Civic Park school

- A better picture of the Buick City Site

- Bassett Park

- Michigan School for the Deaf

- Great Lakes Tech Center

For that matter, these pictures needn't be used in a mosaic; they're worthy subjects and could be inserted anywhere reasonable in this article. I have some nice pictures of the Kearsley Park pavilion, but I thought that the Eastside already had some decent real estate with the inclusion of Longway.

BlueSkiesFalling (talk) 07:08, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to add brief info for the Flint Underground Music Archive
Hello. I am the developer and curator of the Flint Underground Music Archive at www.takenoprisoners.info.

I have been working on this for several years now and have amassed thousands of recordings and digital media of local bands and musicians that have been made freely available to the public. It has been featured in the Flint Journal (1/08) and is currently involved in 2 books being written about the history and significance of the Flint underground music scene over the past few decades. Please add or allow me to add a link to this archive as I feel it is quite relevant to visitors of this page that are interested in Flint's culture and history.

Thanks, Aaron Stengel allegrocode@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.212.5 (talk) 05:17, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There is nothing stopping you from adding it.Asher196 (talk) 17:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

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I'll be back soon to post updated info on the Durant Hotel reopening. Good stuff. Shannon Garcia (talk) 01:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Oy vey!
It probably goes without saying, but this article needs a massive cleanup of grammar, spelling, and all sorts of other information. Most of it is a word-salad. PunkyMcPunkersen (talk) 17:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Up to date
It didn't seem like it needed a tag for it but some of the information definitely needs to be updated. For instance, the police section has parts that are looking prospectively into 2011. CurlyPop88 (talk) 01:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit question
It seems like there are a lot of missing internal wiki pages to old Flint sports teams. I started to check some of these to see if the links were merely broken but couldn't find anything. Are there any Flintonians working on these pages? I grew up in Clarkston so this page is very interesting to me. Gofigure41 06:15, 14 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gofigure41 (talk • contribs)
 * A surprising amount of them are already done, so I hope the other ones are being done. It would be good to get an answer on that if anyone is working on them. I have already seen so many that are just all broken and hastily thrown in. But I digress, I would also like to know the same thing as Gofigure41. CurlyPop88 (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

White flight, etc.
I redacted the section attributing the decline of the city to change in racial makeup again. That is a controversial viewpoint and unless you can reference it (which you should be able, at least somewhat, to do), it has no place in the encyclopedia. It has NPOV problems too. I am sure the Black and Hispanic population would disagree that the decline was due to their moving to Flint, which is sure what the weight of the section inferred. Gtwfan52 (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Unless you can disprove those statements (i.e. prove they are "controversial" like you say), your complaint is nothing but a violation of WP:IDONTLIKEIT; and removing it before tagging and discussing it is a violation of WP:CONSENSUS. TomCat4680 (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Tomcat--Firstly, you are not a consensus. Nor am I.  I saw lots of discussion of photos but none of the editorial material.  Secondly, WP:V certainly trumps your consensus of one.  I am not against a discussion of the racial aspects of urban decay here, but you can certainly cite your arguments.  It is not up to me to DISprove your uncited discussion.  It is most certainly up to you to cite it. So, I took it out again.  WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is what are doing, does not trump WP:V. See WP:BRD.  You have it backwards.  You cannot prove a negative.  Just source what you are saying and I will add some sourced material on the decline of the auto industry playing a role in the economic downslide.  I grew up in Gary, Indiana.  I lived through the same stuff as Flint went through, only 15 years before.  There is never one reason. Uncited material is nothing but the writer's opinion, aka WP:OR.  Let's work together and find a neutral version of this that can be cited, so we both can move along to happier hunting grounds.  Gtwfan52 (talk) 23:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Well by removing it without a discussion first, you're basically saying "I think that's racist", which is pretty much nothing but a matter of opinion. I agree, more sources are always better if they support the facts. But what I just don't agree with is removing entire sections, without first attempting to determine whether its information is actually factual; and instead deleting it by declaring it to be "controversial" without reaching a consensus as to whether it is or not beforehand. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:27, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Crime stats section
The large section about how violent and terrible Flint is seems a.) disproportional in length to the rest of the article and b.) flawed because it uses those FBI/Forbes/Morgan Quinto ratings. The FBI THEMSELVES indicates that their stats aren't to be used for rankings, and those that do are flawed. Obviously, the history of deindustrialization is extremely significant to any historical account of Flint, To be sure, rises in crime/violence levels are a part of this but having like 5 different paragraphs about how Flint is ranked in the top 10 most violent cities or whatever seems a bit iffy to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.53.247.50 (talk) 19:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

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Deletion of Inconvenient Facts
The section 'Second financial emergency: 2011–' is supported by many news articles yet when I added evidence that Flint experienced lead poison and the government was being sued by both private parties and organizations including but not limited to the ACLU and NRDC it was deleted as WP:NOTNEWS. Appears that certain news is acceptable and other news is not. Breedentials (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm with you, it belongs in the article. This has been a major ongoing crisis for over a year, with national news coverage (i.e. Huffington Post). Clearly notable enough for here. TomCat4680 (talk) 16:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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