Talk:Flirt (Eve album)

When
When is this album coming out?? Been waiting for it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.219.250 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 29 March 2007

No confirmation of an official release. As a rule of thumb an album should have two out of three of the following to be considered notable:
 * confirmed release date
 * confirmed track listing or at least first single
 * confirmed album art.

this album has none of these and hence it will be redirected... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lil-unique1 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 9 August 2009

Gwen Stefani
Where is the evidence that Gwen Stefani is making an appearance? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MYsweetEsCaPe (talk • contribs) 15:02, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I think it was mentioned at some website like TMZ or PerezHilton.com that Gwen and Eve were seen leaving an LA recording studio in the summer of 2006, 2 to 3 months after Kingston was born. Right around the time she started round 2 of TSE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymyers89 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

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songs
I think that the song names are fake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.251.240.116 (talk) 17:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Me too. I thought there was a song called Fire produced by Dr. Dre supposed to be on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwhat (talk • contribs) 04:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Released
The "Released" section of the albumbox is not for future dates. Per WP:ALBUM. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

NEW SONG!
I was looking up songs and I found a new Eve song that was just uploaded on the site today. It's called Me N My (Up In The Club) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.13.96.218 (talk) 00:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Article Redirect
I am suggeting that this article be redirect to the artist's page as there is no confirmed track-lisitng, no confirmed release date, no confirmation from the artist of the title anymore (its been so long since it was supposed to come out that everything will have changed) and no confirmed cover-art or single. Plus the article is a stub. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC))


 * I agree with user Lil-unique1 the article shoud be redirected to the artist page because of the lack of info. (MariAna Mimi) (12:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC))
 * I agree as well. There is just too much information missing and it's not sure if the album is released at all. For now, I would suggest to redirect this article to Eve (entertainer). As soon as the situation changes, we can simply recreate this article. Please read the deletion discussion from March 2009 too.--Totie (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Notability of future albums is determined by whether they have coverage in reliable sources, not by whether they have announced release dates and/or tracks. Such sources exist and thus this a legitimate article.  The survived AfD in March by a 4-1 "vote".  Now, rumors and speculation should be removed from the article on sight, but that doesn't mean the article should be removed entirely (and yes redirecting it is basically the same as removing it). --ThaddeusB (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * actually my point was that there is not ENOUGH information to warrant its own page, the information here is already majority included on Eve (rapper) anyway and so it would not be difficult to merge the two articles. It might have survived AfD in March but like it says on that page you should treat it the same as Her Name is Nicole which was deleted by administrators. Wikipedia deals with fact and the truth of the matter is that there simply is not any official confirmation that the album is still titled Flirt or that any of this information is now relevant to the new project. None of the sources confirm this. We don't even know that any of the songs previously released will feature on the album - it is likey the the version that is released will be completely different. IF a new single is released and a press release or someone like Amazon confirms that the album has a release date then we can re-open the article but as it stands there really is no factual benefit or value to readers for keeping it open. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC))
 * " but like it says on that page you should treat it the same as Her Name is Nicole" - that is a misrepresentation of the discussion. One person of 5 said that, the consensus was to keep.
 * It is my opinion that there is sufficient information and notability to establish an article even if the album is never released, so the lack of a set release date isn't an issue, IMO. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * My point about Nicole Scherzinger's album was that we all had this discussion over that two because technically she had 2 charted singles so we could have kept that article open but in the end administrators intervened and said that the article could never be expanded very much and so it was deleted. we can't have an album page for an album that was never released without cover art or even official track-listings. lets look at the sources which you claim are so good and credible:
 * 1) Rapbasement is not an acceptable source because it is a fansite/uncredible music blog. and it only confirm the album title (already confirmed by billboard)
 * 2) TBO Hip-Hop is another fansite that doesnt tell us anything different other than she has left her record label.
 * 3) RTNY is actually an ok source but it talks about the song "Tambourine" which was released from what was supposed to be "Here I Am" so its relevance is questionable.
 * 4) Billboard] is perfectly fine but again it talks about "Here I Am" which is a different album/incarnation to "Flirt" all of or none of that could be relevant to this version of the album.
 * 5) Shoutmouth is not even clear about what type of website it is and has zero credibility as it talks about album leaks.
 * 6) the HMV source doesn't even like to anything, just to the homepage.


 * On this basis there are two credible sources that dont actually tell us anything about the album other than a little bit of background under its previous name. do you now see why this article has to be redirected? you asked for some intervention and have had two more users agree that it should be redirected. the next step if you are still not satisified would be to consult administrators but of that i would be 95% sure that they themselves would recommend a redirect.(Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Dude, it was been 12 hours. Not everyone is on Wikipedia 24/7 - give the discussion some chance to develop before jumping to "we must redirect now because 2 people agree with me" --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * i've not closed the discussion yet, i was merely asking if you've understood my point of view now, espicially since i've given a detailed rationale. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 17:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC))
 * "you asked for some intervention and have had two more users agree that it should be redirected." sounds an awful lot like "this discussion is over" to me. Discussions normally run at least 5 days before a conclusion is reached.  If after the discussion has run its course, the consensus is to redirect, then yes it will be redirected.
 * It seems you don't quite understand how things are done here at Wikipedia. Administrators (of which I am one, BTW) have no special authority to decide what should or should not have an article.  The reason Her Name Is Nicole was redirected is because that was the consensus result of Articles for deletion/Her Name Is Nicole.  It was not some authoritative stance by an admin, but rather the community discussion that lead to it happening.  Similarly, this article still exists because of community consensus at Articles for deletion/Flirt (album).  Consensus can change, but ad administrator can't impose their will on the community.  If the result of this discussion is to redirect, ten it will be.  If it is is to keep it, then the article will stay.  That is how we decide things on Wikipedia - by community consensus. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * if you are an administrator i am shocked because you've not displayed administrator-style behaviour or logic. Im frankly astounded that as an administrator you wish to keep an article open that has very little factual standing, that will always be a stub until it is released, that had no confirmed songs/track-listing adn no confirmed released date. maintaining a page for over two years for something that has never happened is one thing but then refusing to close it until there is more facts is a different issue. frankly all of the information here could be easily contained on Eve (entertainer) in a tidy neat paragraph. Let me quote from WP:notability (music): "In a few special cases, an unreleased album may qualify for an advance article if there is sufficient verifiable and properly referenced information about it, However, this only applies to a very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects — generally, an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label." We have one of the things recommended by wikipedia so why are we even having this discussion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lil-unique1 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 10 August 2009
 * One, you are confusing your opinion with fact. Two, I have no special authority to override the community consensus as establish by AfD even if I wanted two.  Three, please read the information you just quoted carefully as it specifically says "an unreleased album may qualify for an advance article ... this only applies to a very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects" A few doesn't equal zero and this is one of those rare exceptions in my opinion.
 * Finally, your personal attacks on me are uncalled for. Attacking my behavior (which, BTW, consisted entirely of refusing to allow you to have sole say about whether this should be a redirect or not) is inappropriate.  Attacking me as illogical is inappropriate.  I have stated my opinion, you have stated yours.  The community will decide who is right.  I have nothing more to say about this matter. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The release has been postponed since two years now—the album itself is questionable. The sources we have now lack important information and are overall not very reliable. All we know is that Eve is working/finishing her album, with a little help from several producers, that is presumed to be released this year, after it was postponed several times and perhaps will be never released at all. In addition, this article is a stub and lacks sources (especially about the release date(s). A section in Eve (entertainer) is more than enough for now.--Totie (talk) 17:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Here's my take on the sources and issues over Rap Basement and such sites. First, the Rap Basement article quotes Eve from a February 2009 interview of hers with the New York Post. Yes, Eve does confirm herself that this is the title of her latest album. But the thing is that this album was planned to be released in 2007 as Here I Am but was retitled. Because there are already plenty of sources covering the cancelled Here I Am album, this article does meet the notability standard. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 18:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

just as something to be noted, the article's AfD for deletion has be re-opened (2nd nominatin) because this dicussion doesn't appear to have reached any conclusion. Voting on the AfD will help to clearly resolve the situation - this discussion doesnt seem to have helped. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC))
 * I concur that a second AfD is needed to resolve this. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)