Talk:Florence, South Carolina

My edits
Graham87, I have explained why the crime statistics are relevant and have tried to edit the content of the section to satisfy your complaints. Why don't you explain why identifying a city as having a crime problem is an issue for you instead of continually removing the section? The section does not compare the city to others (your semi-valid initial point), other than a reference to that fact that the rate of some crimes is the highest. Florence has a crime problem and noting this via authoritative statistics seems worthwhile. I conceded your point regarding using Wiki articles as a metric for measuring someone of local importance (though I disagree). Perhaps you might concede that crime statistics for an area with a crime problem are relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.133.104 (talk) 22:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, crime statistics are relevant though I think at the moment the article goes overboard in the stats it describes. Has anything been done about the crime problem in the last two years? That would be a lot more interesting and relevant. However I won't remove the section again. An example of a whole article about crime in a particular location that works as a stand-alone article is Crime in New York City. Graham 87 01:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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You're probably correct w.r.t. the notable folks, though I think a Wiki article is not a good measure for measuring someone of local importance. The crime statistics are very important to describing contemporary Florence. These statistics are readily easily verified on the FBI site and should remain. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.126.130.50 (talk) 01:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC).


 * My edits were aimed at cleaning up the article and making it more useful and accessible. However there have been some reverts so I will discuss them in more detail here - I thought the edit summaries were sufficient. Firstly, the crime section only cited one source: the index to the FBI report on Crime in the United States 2005. That page tells me absolutely nothing about crime in Florence, South Carolina. In Wikipedia sources should be cited directly - the above citation is like citing a medical journal with "published in 2005", without giving any hint of the name of the article cited. The links from the FBI page might tell me something, but this page tells me that the tables do not provide rankings by crime levels, and that "Any comparisons of crime among different locales should take into consideration numerous other factors besides the areas' crime statistics". That basically sums up my other objection to the section - it is too detailed and contains no context. Are there any particular reasons why Florence has the highest rate of violent crime in the United States? What are the authorities doing (if anything) to reduce crime levels? It should be possible to find reliable sources like reliable newspaper articles discussing this.


 * With my edit to the famous residents and natives section, I did not delete everyone who didn't have a Wikipedia article - I just deleted people who, according to Google searches, did not seem notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Feel free to put individual people back with good justifications, or create an account so you can create an article about them. I also improved the layout of the section so there was not too much linking, and disambiguated some links so they now point to the correct person. Graham 87 09:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, that section does not take into account the effect of Hurricane Katrina on the crime rate of New Orleans, nd is 2 years out of date. Graham 87 04:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Notable Citizens
Considering that they've begun to attract a fair amount of attention, shouldn't the band Sequoyah Prep School be included somewhere in this article? I go to school in another part of the state, and I know several people who have not only heard of them, but they're fans. Just a suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.92.241 (talk) 23:00, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Healthcare
What is with all of the opinions of "billing systems rife with errors..." and "a cafeteria where you can hear doctors conversing about their patients." Let's keep this fair and rational people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.219.133.241 (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Help
I am editing an article on Dillon, SC. I was wondering if anyone had advice on where to find sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlang cu (talk • contribs) 00:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

City Logo
The logo on this page is incorrect and needs to be changed the official City of Florence logo does not have the accent leaf on it, and most do not use the City Seal in the logo. I have a copy of the logo, if some one is interested in helping me get this corrected. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by WWMiller (talk • contribs) 14:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

--WWMiller (talk) 14:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

City of Florence Logo is incorrect please see City of Florence website above.
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I have a copy of the correct logo if someone is interested in helping change it.

Florence SC article in the news
Thought editors here would be interested to know that this article has been mentioned (somewhat unfavorably) in a news story on scnow.com. Matthew (WMF) 01:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Matthew, I noticed the press. I'll be keeping an eye on this article and reviewing it over the next week to ensure that is complies with policies and guidelines, while updating any details that need attention. Let me know if you hear anything else or have questions. Thanks, Cindy  ( need help? ) 07:56, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just removed the crime section outright. I don't see the relevancy of including specific stats from a single year (2010). That isn't helpful to our readers at all. What we need is something that compares it nationally. Otherwise, the stats are pretty much meaningless. Silver  seren C 20:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I've looked into the "10th nationally" claim in this scnow.com article. Here is what the Wikipedia article said:


 * According to the "Crime In the United States" publication released by the FBI,[23] in 2010 there were 2 murders, 8 rapes, 108 robberies and 236 aggravated assaults in the Florence area. Additionally, there were 2891 property crimes, including burglaries, thefts and motor vehicle thefts, placing the city 10th out of 320 metropolitan areas in the U.S. The population of the area included in the survey was 32,273.

The sentence in question did not have a reference. But if you look at the FBI figures for 2010 cited earlier in the paragraph, the claim actually seems to check out – the property crime figure (as measured per 100,000 inhabitants) is indeed very high, and may well be the tenth-highest in that list (I would welcome someone double-checking, or perhaps there is a numbered list somewhere on the website I overlooked). Violent crime is high too, but the rate per 100,000 for violent crime is not in the top ten.

Of course, the Wikipedia paragraph had major errors, apart from the missing citation.


 * 1) The "2,891 property crimes" figure relates to Florence itself, not the metropolitan area.
 * 2) Florence being a small town, the "2,891 property crimes" as an absolute number are nowhere near any top ten in the US: only the rate per 100,000 inhabitants is.
 * 3) It is the Florence metropolitan area's property crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants (including Darlington and Florence counties) that placed 10th, not that of the city of Florence itself (which is actually higher than the area's average, as is normal for cities and surrounding areas).
 * 4) The population figure for the 10th place positioning was wrong: 32,273 was the population of Florence, while the 10th place is for the combined population of Darlington and Florence counties (201,596).

So there were some serious errors, but the city officials' core claim, that there is no conceivable measure by which Florence would place 10th nationally, seems to be wrong too. Neighborhoodscout.com gives Florence a 1% rating (meaning only 1% of US cities are less safe) and says, "With a crime rate of 98 per one thousand residents, Florence has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 10. Within South Carolina, more than 94% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Florence." Andreas JN 466 08:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)


 * There was some reporting on this in newspapers in 2006 and 2007, when Florence ranked 5th in the nation. I added a paragraph to the article about it.  I can't yet find anything about more recent crime rates.  I'm not sure how to use the raw FBI data without doing OR, so I'm leaving it out for now.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on the Mayor's comments in Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-04-22/In_the_media, I move-protected the article. Bearian (talk) 14:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a heads up. At the top of this section, I mentioned that I would be keeping an eye on this article. However, I've recently (Apr 15) had major surgery, leaving little time and availability to edit Wikipedia. I thought I was healing and getting better, but my body begged to differ. Thanks to everybody for filling in the gaps. Best regards, Cindy  ( need help? ) 18:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Because Wikipedia articles that get mentioned in the news tend to attract a certain type of person, I have put this page on my watch list and will undo any vandalism that I see. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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