Talk:Florenz Ziegfeld Jr./Archive 1

The origin of his name & surname

 * Is he German immigrant? --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 12:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * According to the German Wik page, he is actually FZ Junior, his father having been born in Germany. Kdammers 4 July 2005 00:39 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much!! (:-D) --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 4 July 2005 00:43 (UTC)

Photo

 * I'm not sure that is actually a photo of Ziegfeld. It looks nothing like him.

This is a photo of Ziegfeld. AlbertSM (talk) 20:25, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Good spotting, AlbertSM! This is a photo of Ziegfeld, also (date unknown) :. I think the image in the article should be removed.JeanColumbia (talk) 22:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * And another: [], courtesy of musicals101.com. JeanColumbia (talk) 23:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Unrelated comment
I have read that he was not Jewish.


 * Although sometimes celebrities are mistakenly thought of as to have been jewish from time to time, and weren't (Charlie Chaplin, Cary Grant & Michael Caine come to mind), I've never read that Ziegfeld wasn't, and have often read he was. The NY Times obit doesn't mention religion one way or the other. More research needed I guess.


 * According to Ziegfeld: The Man who Invented Show Business By Ethan Mordden (2008), his father was Lutheran, his mother Catholic, and he was baptized Catholic. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

wrong link
The link from "Rio Rita" goes to a page about the 1942 Abbott and Costello movie, which shares little more than the name with the 1929 movie that was in fact made of the Ziegfeld production. But I don't know how to fix this...

Link to Rio Rita (musical) corrected. Markhh 06:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Name change
The article was recently moved from Florenz Ziegfeld to its current name (with "Jr."). I've looked through almost all the sources, and found only one single instance where the subject had a "Jr" attached to its name. A separate issue that was brought to my attention concerned whether it should be "Flo" or "Florenz"--I currently have no opinion on that, and I'm not going to move it back unilaterally. But the "Jr." move, that's not verified by the sources. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I fully support returning to Florenz Ziegfeld. But the article had been first moved to the title "Flo Ziegfeld" before I moved it to F..Z..Jr. If the Jr is not correct please return to the original title. But the idea of naming the article with the subject's informal nickname made no sense at all. Cheers, Markhh (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ziegfeld's full correct name was Florenz Ziegfeld, Jr. and this is how he is listed in most reference sources. Markhh (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

birth date
In reference 1 the birth year is listed as 1869. At the moment I have no time to check other references. --Baumfreund-FFM (talk) 05:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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Detail of the other shows
Zeigfeld produced many outside shows from the follies mostly through the years 1910 to 1916. Can anyone give us a list of shows with small amount of detail? This is a critical period of the man's life. The Budzone guy 19:37, 21 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beadbud5000 (talk • contribs)

Issues with source 5, Musicals101
Source #5 seems to have some issues with quality. The Musicals101 site itself doesn't cite any sources as far as I can see, and upon a cursory reading there seems to be a few things it's gotten wrong. I've been reading Brideson & Brideson's Ziegfeld Biography (Ziegfeld and His Follies: A Biography of Broadway's Greatest Producer, 2015, ISBN 978-0813160887) and that's where I've been identifying discrepancies from.

For example: in the first paragraph of the Musicals101 site, it shares an anecdote about Ziegfeld selling tickets to an "invisible fish" scam as a child - this actually occurred at or slightly before the 1893 World's Fair (Brideson & Brideson, p. 15-16), which would've put Ziegfeld in his early to mid twenties when he pulled this stunt.

The second paragraph claims that Ziegfeld's visit to Buffalo Bill's Wild West show was one of Ziegfeld's tall tales, and cites that we only know that his family sent him to school in Wyoming for a brief period. The book I'm reading right now explains that when his family sent him to school is when he first saw Buffalo Bill (p. 13). The Musicals101 source fails to identify this connection.

Since this source is one of the major sources for this article, and it seems to have some issues, (or perhaps simply be outdated), it should likely be replaced with a more recent / reliable source.

AlphaWeaver (talk) 04:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)