Talk:Florida Atlantic University/Archive 2

Pictures
Pic storage for the moment. KnightLago 01:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Image:FAU_Village_apartments.PNG|left|thumb|220 px|Village Apartments at FAU in Boca Raton Image:FAUgreeks.PNG|left|thumb|250px|FAU Greeks

Notable Student Activism
I removed this section from the article for a number of reasons. First, the university has had more important activism in the past than dance marathons. I recall in the past seeing pictures of Vietnam war protests, but I can't find any solid information. Also, these events are very recent and do not include any other activism. Second, from searching the university's website, I see no real organized encouragement of community service by the university. Other universities have departments that encourage community service and have more information on the service done by a university, events, history, statistics. I can't find that for FAU so there is really nothing to write about besides extremely small single events. Which just make a list, which is discouraged. The entire section is below. If anyone can find some more detailed information on the subject let me know and I will try and work it in. From the article:


 * Five members of the FAU community took part in a 200-mile humanitarian effort called the Bike2Belarus Initiative, a directive of the Irish Students 10k. One of the poorest nations in Europe, Belarus was ravaged by after effects of the 1986 Chernobyl accident. Ultimately, the bike trip raised a quarter of a million dollars for Belarus, matched by the Irish Government and used for the construction of a hospice and orphanage.
 * The Annual FAU 16-hour Dance Marathon raises money for the Children's Miracle network, which in turn benefits the Shands Children's Hospital at the University of Florida. In 2004, thirty-eight dancers ultimately raised $7,000. In 2005, more than fifty volunteers danced the night away to raise $11,500.
 * FAU Softball raised $1,400 over a three-day tournament in its effort to "Strike Out Cancer." The fundraiser, noted by the Sun-Sentinel, was held during the FAU Classic softball tournament on Feb.16-18, 2007. Members collected donations for each strikeout. All of the proceeds went to the America Cancer Society for the 2007 Relay for Life that took place at FAU's Boca Raton campus.
 * Over 100 FAU students rallied to form a human chain during the "Save Darfur" event in the hopes of raising awareness of the ongoing genocide crisis. The student-run event was sponsored by FAU's Amnesty International chapter. The Jewish Community Relations Council of the Jewish Federation of South Palm Beach County sponsored an FAU sophomore to participate in the "Save Darfur Now: Voices to End Genocide" rally that took place on Sunday, Sept. 17, 2006 in New York's Central Park.

KnightLago 17:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite
The history needs to be rewritten from scratch with sourcing and less dates. KnightLago 23:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I stumbled upon this article tonight as I was assessing some of the unassessed WikiProject Universities articles. I've labeled it as B-Class, and, while I was reading the article, decided to just go ahead and try the rewrite myself.  I've tried to cut out a lot of the cruft, as well as all the athletics information (which makes more sense in the Athletics section or in a separate article on that subject anyway).


 * As I glanced over the rest of it, this article seems like one that could pretty easily be brought up to good article status. It needs some work on references (especially all the numbers that are cited in the History section), and there needs to be a standardized system of citing those references (preferably using tags and citation templates).  I'd also suggest that you change the wikitable at the top of the article to a standardized template (like the Infobox University template), if only to make things look a bit less crowded up top.  Maybe get a fresh set of eyes to look over the whole thing so as to tighten up all the text.  All of this stuff is pretty easy, though.  Good luck! Esrever 03:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * With regard to the wikitable, we're working on an FAU version of the Florida State University wikitable and we can't do that as a regular template. Go Owls 06:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we are well on our way to GA and beyond. We have been working on it for a while now trying to improve it. The history section really jut needs to be rewritten from scratch; and that and the Greek section are the only things I haven't done any work on. We also need to write something short for the alumni section, and then work on a few other things. I am going to work on it some more this weekend. As for the table as is, I like it, we can keep it for now and then see how others like it. We can always change it back easily. KnightLago 11:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Obviously, do whatever you guys (the regular editors) think looks best. I was just pointing out that it looks "cluttered" to me is all. Whatever you end up doing with it, make sure to include a fair use rationale for the logo you're using there. :) Esrever 15:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-standard infobox
Hi there, folks. There is a discussion currently underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities about the use of non-standard infotables on this and a few other articles on universities in Florida. I and a few other editors would support standardising to Infobox University. That infobox has widespread consensus among editors and is used on several thousand articles. Editors here may wish contribute the the discussion at the WP:UNI talk page. If no issues are raised, the infobox here will be standardized. — mholland (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Copy-edit of lead
Copy-editing notes, not to be critical, but to explain the reasoning behind changes: The campuses don't span 100 miles of coastiline -- those would be very expensive campuses! The counties they serve span the 100 miles :). Clarified language to affirm that only the Ft. Pierce location is at Harbor Branch, not all of them. "Additional satellites" is redundant. "Satellites" serves the purpose. Changed "over 100,00" degrees to "more than", as "over", being a physical condition, would suggest that it is very hot there, even for Florida :) (over 100k degrees) Edited enrollment history for consistency of tense.

Regarding the last paragraph of the lead, not sure whether the first sentence intends that it serves primarily the needs of commuter students. Also, the elevation of the status of the football team seems inconsistent with a paragraph devoted to increased academic status. Will leave those alone for now, but suggest the authors/editors of the article consider these issues. Unimaginative Username 01:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

The commuter students sentence is compromise language that was fought over for a while. We were trying to say that while the school serves a large number of commuter students, as evidenced by the housing info, they are trying change that. The other part you were referring to:

Brogan's efforts have resulted in not only an increase in the university's academic profile, but also the elevation of the football team to Division I competition status, plans for an on-campus football stadium, and a partnership with Boca Raton Community Hospital and the University of Miami's Miller School of Medicine to build a teaching hospital on the main campus in Boca Raton.[7][9][10][11]

I think this shows that not only have the admissions standards have increased, but also other changes are being made as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KnightLago (talk • contribs) 01:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I made an attempt to change the sentence in question to capture the intent as you said. Please review and make further changes if this is not what was intended. Thanks for clarifying. Regards, Unimaginative Username 02:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

C/e of "Expansion"
We are given the name Roger Miller without any information as to who that person is. Again, not to be facetious, a Roger Miller recorded many novelty records, including "Chug-A-Lug", quite possibly very apropos for a college :-) Anyway, I added "Author...", but if he has some other title, e. g., historian, professor, etc. please add it. Also, point of interest, the reason a comma was added after "third campus" is to clarify that it was the university's third campus, but not "the third campus in downtown Ft. Lauderdale" (there are not three campuses in downtown Ft. L.) Thanks. Unimaginative Username 02:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Stopping here for now
Completed c/e through "Profile". Hope fresh eyes can take over, or I will try to get back to this within the next day or two. Hope this helps. Unimaginative Username 02:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Questions re grant for merger of Ft. Pierce campus and HBOI
The Recent history section says: the Florida Legislature allocated $53 million in 2007 for Florida Atlantic to acquire the institution.

Ft. Pierce Campus section says: The Florida Legislature allocated $53 million in 2007 to FAU and the Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution in order to acquire the institution.[65]

Was the grant allocated solely to FAU, as the earlier sentence implies, or was it awarded jointly to FAU and HBOI, as the latter implies? Thanks! Unimaginative Username 07:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It was to Florida Atlantic per . The number also recently changed because of budget cuts, so I am going to update the number and cite it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KnightLago (talk • contribs) 13:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)  ✅ KnightLago 13:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the merged entity has a new name, I spelled out the full name for its first appearance in the article (HBOIAFAU). Please make sure I have the full name correctly, and revise as needed. (After the full name appears once, future appearances can be abbreviated as before). Unimaginative Username 20:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Question about "Campus organizations and activities"
The existing text, "...the university's first-ever street parade with floats built by students" implies that the University might have had many previous street parades, but that this one is the first one in which floats are built by students. If that is indeed the intent, then the sentence remains as is. However, I think it likely that this is the University's first street parade ever, with the additional information that the floats will be built by students. In this case, our trusty old friend, the comma, does the trick all by itself: "...the university's first-ever street parade, with floats built by students." Someone who has knowledge of the parade issue needs to adjust if necessary, or give me the information and I'll edit accordingly. (Puncuation does matter!) Regards, Unimaginative Username 08:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

This is the first ever street parade with floats, and students are going to build them. I removed the students part to try and get this right. :-) KnightLago 13:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Given that information, I can get it all in :-) Unimaginative Username 20:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

First pass done, other than the above questions
Will check back in a day or so with fresh eyes, and it's hoped a different pair of eyes will have scrutinized the article as well. Unimaginative Username 08:30, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Second pass in progress complete
Catching some tiny things that were missed the first time -- always do after a break! Incidentally, many dictionaries and other sources have no objection to "in order to...". Others, including some WP editors and copy-editors, believe that "in order to" means the same thing as "to", so the extra words are unnecessary. I'm going with the latter school of thought. The fewer words and the more easily our articles read, the better. But that is not a criticism of those who wrote the previous version, as it's a matter of taste. Regards, Unimaginative Username 19:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Amazing how many things were missed in the first pass. But that's why there are second passes! :) Will move to "Ready for proofread", and will probably comment at FAC. Very fine article. Unimaginative Username 21:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Alumini: why semicolons were inserted
If anyone is wondering, consider this sentence: "Some notable Florida Atlantic alumni are R. David Paulison, the head of the United States' Federal Emergency Management Agency, and current FAU President Frank T. Brogan..." Are we talking about three people here? Paulison, the FEMA head, whoever that is, and Brogan? The semicolon after "Agency" makes it clear that "the head of FEMA" refers to Paulison and not to another alumnus who is being listed here without her/his name.

Also: "Other alumni are Chris Carrabba, the lead singer of the band Dashboard Confessional, and Phil Zimmermann, the creator of Pretty Good Privacy." Again, are there three? Carraba, plus whoever is the lead for DC, plus Phil Z? As above, the semi-colon separates "singer" from the next phrase, and so makes it clear that "lead singer" refers back to Carraba; hence, only two people. Why, you ask (you probably don't), must we not also do that for Phil Zimmerman? Because if Phil Z and the creator of PGP were two separate people, there would have to be an "and" before the last item in the series, "PGP creator". Since there isn't one, it is clear that PZ is the PGP guy.

Please be assured that these matters are of interest only to copy-editors :-), and that is because they are fanatics about removing any possibility of ambiguity/alternate readings/misreadings. Cheers! Unimaginative Username 21:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I see that there was a revert of the semi-colons (which has since been undone). Here is one source for the inclusion of semi-colons: Comma

"6. The comma is used to separate items in lists.
 * 1) *However, if any of the individual items in the list is complex and long, or contains a comma itself, it is best to use a semicolon to separate the items, and possibly to introduce the list with a colon :
 * 2) **We had soup of the day; sole meunière, interestingly prepared with lime juice instead of lemon juice, and an unusual variety of parsley; a fruit salad; and a good port to finish off.
 * 3) **There were several tasks facing them: shaping the mast, for which they could use an adze or, with some difficulty, an axe; raising the finished mast; and caulking the timbers with whatever suitable material could be found. "

Regards, Unimaginative Username 20:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Commuter student issue
Re: change by Go Owls to: "Although Florida Atlantic provides for the educational needs of commuter students, in recent years it has undertaken an effort to increase its academic and research standings while also evolving into a more traditional university."

I'll revert one time, but I'm not going to get into an edit war here. The sentence as revised above is a complete non sequitur. The fact that the University might provide for some commuter students (and possibly many dorm-resident students at the same time) has nothing to do with not being traditional or becoming more traditional. The only way that that the introductory clause has any relation to the remainder of the sentence is if the University presently serves "only" or "primarily" or "mainly" commuter students. Then, and only then, does there become a contrast to traditional universities that are more oriented to students from outside the area. My wording to the effect of "substantial body of commuter students" was intended to avoid arguments over "primarily", etc. This is not a content issue, it is a copy-editing issue. You guys hashed out the fact that FAU is oriented to commuters, but is changing its focus. I changed the wording to reflect accurately what the consensus decided was fact. That is what copy-editors do: they make sure that the language used does in fact reflect what is meant. A person who does not understand the shades of meaning of language, or why the above revision is a non-sequiter, should leave copy-editing to those who do. No offense: continue to research and source good information, and the WP:LOCE will help you put it into polished prose. Please respect it when they do. Regards, Unimaginative Username 03:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * GO I am not trying to change the consensus that we have developed. When the article was copy edited for its featured article candidacy (see here) the reviewer noticed that the sentence as we had it was incorrect grammatically. Please see their comment above. In order to fix this they added the substantial body part, which makes it correct. The sentence has not changed from what was developed earlier. It still makes the point that the school is changing for the better. Also, you were right about the housing part, I left that in. But, please discuss here before changing again so we can all be on the same page. Thanks. KnightLago 14:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Look, I'm not going to argue this anymore because quite frankly I'm tired of these long debates on the internet that drain hours out of my life and ultimately contribute nothing in return. When I came upon this page, it was nothing but a collection of negative statements about FAU... a flame war with no proponents for the university. I came in to counterbalance it and educate people about the school; I spent days upon days adding things that ultimately were either reworded completely or deleted outright by others. To put all that effort into it and to have it be destroyed is insulting and depressing.


 * In the process, I learned a lot about what Wikipedia wants to be versus what it actually is. Wikipedia wants to be the ultimate source of information, sculpted and policed by individuals who hold steadfast to the Wikipedia Commandments (e.g. have a verifiable source for all statements made). In reality, Wikipedia is a marketing tool, arranged and edited by everyone with an agenda. The Wikiscanner report proved this. This FAU page is on the very first page of results when someone does a Google search for "FAU." This information is read by thousands of people -- students, employers and otherwise -- who are trying to get a grasp on what this university is about. We hold to the Wikipedia Commandments while editors for the Wikipedia pages of other Florida colleges (like the "brochure" that is Florida International University's wiki, why don't you stop over there Unimaginative Username?) do not, creating a vast imbalance. That vast imbalance is typical of not just Wikipedia pages on colleges but on every single thing in the Wikipedia universe.


 * There is no reason to come on here and write anything because ultimately people who are against FAU will either water it down by saying "this incited controversy when" or delete it outright. It's a dead cause and I'm tired of devoting any amount of my life to it. Write whatever you want. Go Owls 02:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Reversion of "FAU" DAB page
User:KnightLago seems to have a POV in reverting the DAB page so that a search for "FAU" comes up with Florida Atlantic College, rather than the FAU (disambiguation) page. Could she/he explain what is their POV, so that others can understand it better than by interpreting it from her/his Userboxes? Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 22:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I left a note as to why in the edit summaries, you must have missed them. But oh well. Florida Atlantic UNIVERSITY, thus FAU, a featured article, got 8,128 hits last month. Combined, all of the articles on the DAB page, including the four you just added got 1,681 hits. The highest individual article got 530 hits, the next 389, followed by the Friends' Ambulance Unit, which had 273 hits. Making Florida Atlantic University by far the most common usage of the initials on the English Wikipedia. FAU redirecting to Florida Atlantic University got 942 hits. With the note at the top of Florida Atlantic University pointing people to the DAB page, it received a whopping 191 hits for the entire month. So it is clear that when people type in FAU, they mean Florida Atlantic University. On a side note, it is generally considered uncivil to accuse someone of having a POV when we place such high emphasis on NPOV. Please be more careful in the future. KnightLago (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe some of the Florida hits were due to people looking for other meanings of "FAU", but missing or misunderstanding the hatnote and giving up the search. Where is the article hit-counter, please, by the way.  I am sorry that you have been offended by my remarks about "Point of View". Surely most people join wikiprojects because, consciously or unconsciously, they wish improve articles so that they reflect their own viewpoint. It is hard to discard a POV - even selecting what one edits and what one leaves scruffy expresses a point of view.  Vernon White  . . . Talk 22:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Article hit counter. With FAU redirecting to Florida Atlantic University there is a note at the immediate top of the article directing people to other uses. So it is not hard to find other uses. KnightLago (talk) 23:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Debates 2008
How do we go about including the '08 Debates into this article? Is it notable? Should it even be in here? Discuss... J-Dog (talk) 03:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't believe it is notable. There have been a dozen debates this year already and there are going to be a dozen more to come. The university's role as host isn't enough for inclusion of a mention at the moment. Nothing special happened. KnightLago (talk) 13:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I disagree, I feel it is notable. It is a signifigant event that not every college campus experiences. Yes, there are many debates, but there is a larger number still of colleges and universities in the country that will not have the experience of hosting a debate. If a "proposed" football stadium that may or may not ever happen is notable, then certainly a nationaly televised debate that absolutely DID happen is more notable. So, now we officially have two sides of the argument, now we need people to join! J-Dog (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I definitely think that it's notable... if I'm not mistaken, only one university per state at most earns the right to host this kind of substantial debate with Presidential candidates. This wasn't a common debate, like the city of Boca using FAU to discuss changes to the city plans. Editors of other university articles would have added it in a heartbeat. We seem to be erring on an overly-cautious side and it's having a negative effect on the article. I vote to put it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.109.67.181 (talk) 07:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Only upper division undergraduate classes?
I find it odd that the lead section mentions that when FAU opened, it was the first university in the nation to offer only upper-level undergraduate courses, without mentioning any change in this policy at a later date. I would have expected, if not in the lead section, then somewhere in the article, a sentence like in "In 19xx, it started offering lower-level undergraduate courses and admitting freshmen." Because it seems to be admitting freshmen, judging by the statistics provided about such classes. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:00, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the sentence following the lead sentence you mentioned. Also, see the 2nd paragraph in the history section under expansion and growth. KnightLago (talk) 20:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Use of "coeducational"
What is the intention behind using the term "coeducational" in the characterization of the university? Does this refer solely to gender of its student base. If so, stressing the fact that the university would be "coeducational" seems wildly outdated. Which other comparable university isn't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.46.103.18 (talk) 18:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It does refer to gender. See the List of current and historical women's universities and colleges, Women's colleges, Women's colleges in the United States, and Men's colleges in the United States. KnightLago (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with the IP's comments. Describing a university as "coeducational" is anachronistic given that the vast majority of universities are "coeducational". If the university only accepted a single sex, that would be worth mentioning. AngoraFish   木  13:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Changes
Yezn0r,


 * The seal goes at the top of the article in the infobox. That is the standard for university articles on Wikipedia. This article used to have the logo at the top, but that was only because we did not have a a copy of the seal.
 * The visual standards manual has silver as one of three university colors. It may be minor, but it is still on of the colors.
 * I am not sure why you reverted opening to before dedication. In my opinion it sounds better as dedication and opening.

Thanks, KnightLago (talk) 12:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

The seal is NOT the logo of the university. It is NOT standard for university articles on Wikipedia. The standard is to portray the university in the most authentic manner. That is to place the seal IF the seal if the logo of the school, see Florida International University. FAU has a logo that it uses to portray the school. See Florida Gulf Coast University and University of Florida for examples. I will continue to revert this. FAU spent $4 million on a rebranding of its image in 2005, which I was a part of. This is very dear to me. As for the other two things, you win. I don't care about those. The logo I will continue to revert. Yezn0r (talk) 13:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, I made a compromise by placing the university seal under "Establishment" with a wordy explanation of how the seal is used. Please do not continue to delete this version of the page. This is how the university will be portrayed in life and on wikipedia. Yezn0r (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the seal is NOT the logo of the university. The problem is that FAU is a featured article and all of the other school articles you referenced are not. They are wrong. The seal goes at the top of the infobox. See Template:Infobox_University and scroll down to the "Verbiage and example" section. Under the University of Illyria and the example image, you will see seal of the university. Please revert your changes. KnightLago (talk) 13:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't work for or at the university so the restrictions they place on their constituents don't matter to us. We must be consistent across articles and this is how we do that.
 * And please don't issue ultimatums; that's not terribly productive or collegial. --ElKevbo (talk) 15:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

ElKevbo: It is irrelevant whether we work at the university or not. It is actually disingenuous to portray the university in a different manner than its rules and regulations call for. The Visual Standards Manual at Florida Atlantic University is a standard for the university's brand for everyone to adhere to across the world, not just for its employees. Furthermore, you contradict yourself in that this is NOT the wikipedia standard. I would refer you to University of Florida, Florida Gulf Coast University and other universities who do not use their seal as their logo. This will continue to be reverted by me. The university sets clear standards for how to use its brand, whether it be on letterhead, billboards, or something as simple wikipedia. To violate these standards is actually a violation of wikipedia rules, where one is to use logos correctly and accurately. Yezn0r (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you're clearly wrong and edit-warring but I'll wait for others to chime in. --ElKevbo (talk) 17:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on the discussion above, I believe User:Yezn0r has a clear conflict of interest on this matter ("Where advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Wikipedia, that editor stands in a conflict of interest.") and should not attempt to edit the article to promote the interests of his/her employer. If tendentious editing continues, consider notifying WP:COIN. There is a huge body of precedent and well-established consensus (WP:UNIGUIDE as well as dozens of university featured and good articles) that university seals are to be used as the primary image in the template box and that any other graphic identities can be used with appropriate fair use justifications. This precedent and consensus applies to the FAU article despite whatever policies it may have. This wikipedia article is not an adjunct web presence for the university and Wikipedia editors need not kowtow to the particular administrative dictates of outside organizations branding schemas no matter how many millions of dollars they invested. Madcoverboy (talk) 18:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I notice that the article mentions that the seal has been relegated to "presidential use". This is the case with a great number of university academic seals; while they are rarely seen on marketing materials, they remain the most formal and official representation of the university. I draw a parallel with a recent rebranding campaign carried out at my alma mater, Rice University. While the new stylized shield is the most visible face of the university, the academic seal formally represents the university in the highest aspects, and should grace the header of the Wiki infobox as well. The precedent is there. I believe the logo currently at the masthead should be moved to the bottom, with the presidential seal at the top, as per the defacto standard. AniRaptor2001 18:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is out of compliance with FAU's Visual Standards Manual if you guys keep the seal as the main logo of the university. As an officer of the university, I will indeed report this to the Communication Department to stop FAU's logos from being used at all on Wikipedia.Yezn0r (talk) 19:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You have just made a legal threat against Wikipedia. I am referring this to administrators for further actions. Madcoverboy (talk) 19:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Incident reported here Madcoverboy (talk) 19:42, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not in a position to offer a detailed response, but I will say this; you are taking a matter of minor importance and threatening legal action over it. Wikipedia is not obligated to follow the specific visual guidelines detailed by any particular university's branding campaign. The university's image is not being diminished nor misappropriated nor tarnished, the prevention of which is the reason for existence of a manual of style; an effort is being made to represent your university in a manner consistent with the rest of the universities represented on Wikipedia. I believe you should take a moment to reflect on what you are debating here: Wiki's guidelines state that the university seal should grace the top of the infobox, with the university's logo at the bottom, regardless of which is more widely used/more prevalent/preferred by the institution. Wikipedia aims to cast a consistent, objective light on any particular subject. Please do not resort to legal action over a conflict of interests; what good will it do to the Wikipedia community, and the readership of the entire world, to prevent our encyclopedia from using FAU's logos? AniRaptor2001 19:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Campus Sustainability
In November 2007 Florida Atlantic University became a signatory member of the American College & University Presidents Climate Commitment (ACUPPC). Among other things, this committed the University to ensuring that all new construction projects meet at least USGBC LEED Silver standards. Prior to joining the ACUPCC, the University had the Christine E Lynn College of Nursing building certified as LEED Silver (recently re-certified as LEED Gold). In June 2009 the University partnered with Living Room Theaters, Inc. to break ground on a classroom and office building. The building will meet LEED Silver standards and house an all-digital movie complex that will offer community screenings of foreign, classic and independent films.

Florida Atlantic's green building initiatives earned the University a "B" on the Green Building section of the 2009 College Sustainability Report Card. FAU received an overall grade of "C-" on the 2009 College Sustainability Report Card published by the Sustainable Endowments Institute.


 * Moved from the article. This could be folded into the text on its own, but I am not sure if all this is needed. Maybe a line about this? Thoughts? KnightLago (talk) 01:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Department of Ocean Engineering
The department of Ocean Engineering was founded in 1965 in Boca Raton, Florida as the first ocean engineering undergraduate program in the nation. Since then, it has grown significantly in terms of students, faculty, undergraduate, graduate and research programs and departmental resources. As a result, and we now offer BS, MS and PhD degrees in ocean engineering and the department spans two campuses, the Boca Raton campus and the Dania Beach, SeaTech campus. Freshmen to junior year classes are held at the Boca Raton campus where students benefit from a traditional university campus life, while the capstone senior year is held at the SeaTech campus where the students benefit from advanced laboratory facilities in the proximity of the ocean and a Navy laboratory. The graduate program and most of the department research activities are primarily held at the Dania Beach, SeaTech campus. The department has an annual five million dollar research expenditure in the areas of marine materials, acoustics and vibrations, hydrodynamics and physical oceanography, marine structures, and autonomous underwater vehicles. The research is sponsored by various national and state funding agencies, including the Office of Naval Research, the National Science Foundation, the Florida Department of Transportation as well as marine and offshore industries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.91.110.1 (talk) 15:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

PBAU
Palm Beach Atlantic University is nothing like Florida Atlantic. I am not seeing the confusion. They are located in the same county as are other schools that use the term university. The names are not similar enough for there to be any confusion IMHO. Thoughts?
 * Agreed CptnSkippy (talk) 19:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Organization and administration section
I note that this article doesn't appear to have any section dedicated to describing the organization and administration of the university. Per WP:UNIGUIDE, might we devote some space for the structure of the administration, current leadership, budget, relationship with a board of trustees, formal affiliations or relationships with other public universities in Florida, student and faculty government, endowment information, academic divisions of the college/university, membership in major consortium or other inter-university organizations, etc.? Madcoverboy (talk) 14:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * My activity level is low, but I will try and address some of this in the coming weeks. The current leadership is discussed, student government is mentioned, the endowment is in the infobox, and memberships is listed in affiliations in the infobox. KnightLago (talk) 12:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Commuter School
For quite a few years, this article has said something to the effect of;

"Once known strictly as a commuter school, in recent years Florida Atlantic has undertaken an effort to increase its academic and research standings while also evolving into a more traditional university"

How long is the 'recent years' wording going to be on here? I am aware that FAU has taken (and still are) steps to change the image of the school. In the sense of the words 'commuter school' though, FAU can only be seen as a commuter school. It is not a derogatory term. Yes FAU has a lot of new programs, sport teams, and lots of campuses and plenty of students. However only 9% of the students live on campus. In other words, 91% of the students go home after class. How is this not a commuter school? --204.248.24.164 (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)204.248.24.164
 * I agree the intro is due for a rewrite. I will try and work on it over the holidays. Regarding the 9%, it is my understanding that a lot of schools are at about 9/10% and are not called commuter schools. In addition, I remember some press reports saying the school had shed its commuter image. I will try and locate those again. KnightLago (talk) 02:33, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * We had a discussion about this a long time ago. It is not up to Wikipedia members to decide what is or isn't a commuter school. Even if we could, the fact is that most universities not only in Florida but across the nation have percentages similar to what you've stated for residential vs non-residential students. Universities in the 30k-50k range cannot be realistically expected to house more than 25% of their student population on campus, meaning that a majority of students are non-residential commuters. Therefore, percentages alone don't define whether something is or isn't a commuter school and really, the term "commuter school" is pretty ambiguous so to try and justify it with anecdotal opinion about how people "just go to class and go home at FAU" doesn't live up to this site's standards. Wikipedia should err on the side of what is being reported from credible sources. You don't see credible sources talking about FAU as a commuter school much anymore unless it's in reference to how a new facility or program is helping FAU to outgrow its past "commuter school" reputation. The article should stay as it is. In about three years this will be a moot point anyway. Go Owls (talk) 04:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Changes.
KnightLago,

I see your point regarding placing the University's Carnegie classification in the article's introduction, as it may be "bolstering" and I am willing to concede on that issue.

However, I do not agree with your position regarding tagging FAU as a "space-grant" school in the article's infobox under "type". This is standard practice, even in featured articles. Please see featured articles on Texas A&M, University of Michigan and UC Riverside. Because of this, I will once again add "Space-grant" to FAU's infobox, unless you give me a better reason not to.

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerseydem (talk • contribs) 01:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Please provide a source saying specifically that FAU is a "space-grant university". I think that phrase is being used to bolster the school's image by making a comparison to schools specifically designated as land-grant colleges, sea-grant colleges, and/or sun-grant colleges. FAU is only a member of the Florida Space Grant Consortium (as is every other school in the state). Membership in a consortia is not something that goes in the "Type" field, but in the affiliations field. KnightLago (talk) 23:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Branch campuses
How about at least a list, at a start to artcles on them or sections of a combination article about them?  DGG ( talk ) 03:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

"Jesus stomping" incident
Similar to the controversy mentioned above, this may be worth including but should only be done so if it's described in a neutral manner with firm sourcing in reliable sources. Further, editors who want to include this material should also consider whether this incident is of such importance and interest that it merits inclusion in an encyclopedia article summarizing the entire history, organization, administration, and culture of this university. ElKevbo (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Added with reliable sources. The context of this is quite important and furthers the belief by many that unversities are hostile to people of specific religous beliefs.  There seems to be enough sources discussing the event to be worthy of inclusion.  FAU has only itself to blame for this mess.  Arzel (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you please address why this one incident concerning one faculty member and (allegedly) one student merit inclusion in this article discussing the entire university? I don't care to defend the university in any away but this seems like more of a flash-in-the-pan incident that belongs in a newspaper but not an encyclopedia article.  ElKevbo (talk) 21:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think people are going to let this just disapear. If it was only a couple of mentions I would agree, but this is receiving quite a bit of coverage.  The Guv seems pretty intent on keeping it in the limelight.  Arzel (talk) 21:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. It doesn't make your case very strong that several of those are blog posts but you've made your point. I suggest revisiting this in a few weeks and recommend removing it then if nothing else has occurred i.e., it really was just a flash-in-the-pan. ElKevbo (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * it made national TV news, exploded in the right blogosphere, and the teacher has been put on leave for safety reasons after receiving numerous threats. Redhanker (talk) 04:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Stadium naming rights controversy
The university recently announced that it was naming its stadium for a corporate donor. This donor is involved in running private prisons so the decision has created some controversy. It might be worth mentioning this controversy in the article but it should be done so in accordance with our guiding principles, particularly WP:NPOV; the last couple of attempts to toss this new fact into the article have been half-assed and inappropriate. ElKevbo (talk) 03:34, 22 February 2013 (UTC);
 * The company has withdrawn its $6 million "gift" offer, and the university will not be named after GEO, despite current information on the FAU internet site. See http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-owlcatraz-fau-stadium-naming-150014235--ncaaf.html, http://www.thenation.com/blog/173623/victory-stopping-owlcatraz?rel=emailNation#  or http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/04/02/florida-atlantic-fau-geo-group-stadium-withdraws-offer/2045581/ vs. http://www.fau.edu/searchpage/google_results.php?q=stadium&cx=002953027092500659673%3Ao7kscwfqif0&cof=FORID%3A11&x=0&y=0Kdammers (talk) 12:08, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

FA
I'm not sure FA status is appropriate. There's a good deal of extraneous material, statements of quality relying only on its own publications, and overuse of the full name, which leads to wordiness. I'm going to try to fix some of this.  DGG ( talk ) 07:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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This featured article does not meet the current featured article criteria. There are small amounts of uncited text at various points in the article, and there is a good deal of outdated content in here. Samples include:
 * "As of fall 2013, the university's student body consists of 24,686 undergraduates, 4,666 graduate and professional students, 256 medical students, and 1,451 unclassified students.[2] As of 2013, the undergraduate student body contains 47% ethnic minorities and includes students from more than 180 countries,[23] 49 states, and the District of Columbia.[24][25] For the undergraduate class of 2012, the acceptance rate was 35% for first-time-in-college students. In 2016 advance registration begins" - We're using 8 year-old statistics and referring to 2016 in the future tense
 * "The university was also ranked 28th in the United States and fourth in Florida by The Hispanic Outlook in Higher Education magazine for awarding 738 bachelor's degrees to Hispanic students during the 2006–2007 academic year.[55][56]" - Unclear why something from 15 years ago warrants special calling out
 * Recent history stops at 2014
 * " In addition to students who attend classes on the universities campuses, there are 1,612 distance learning students who conduct their studies over the internet or through other means. These students account for 6% of the university's student body" - Cited to a 2011 source.

This article needs significant work. Hog Farm Talk 05:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, comment just above this one about dated information, and a listy alumni section which should be prosified.  are you able to bring this back to FA standard? Sandy Georgia  (Talk)  05:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed response . I am not able to bring it up to FA standard at this time and think it should be removed in light of its current condition. KnightLago (talk) 22:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Links not up to date
The links for the partnerships with leading universities among others lead to FAUs news page not the specific article. I don’t know how to mark it for citations Huskermax5 (talk) 18:26, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Update
Somebody needs to update this with their first final four!! 2600:4040:9430:1000:A45A:48AF:C074:8510 (talk) 02:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)