Talk:Florida Championship Wrestling

Tag titles
And the new FCW Tag Team Championship?. --KingOfDX (talk) 19:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been added.-- T r U C o  - X  14:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Can the article be given a B class rating?
(comment in header)-- T r U C o  - X  14:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No it should be given a B class rating as it isn't expanded enough to be considered B class. Mr. C.C. (talk) 20:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Second Developmental Territory?
It says on the article that FCW is the second developmental promotion for the WWE. But in fact there has been more than one promotion which has a development promotion for the WWF/WWE. Mr. C.C. (talk) 20:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

New Logo
On the official website of FCW, they have a new FCW logo. The picture here should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.32.168 (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

New Roster
On the official website FCWwrestling.com, the people on the roster all have different names. The list here should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.110.70.77 (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Find it a bit odd that there's no link to the actual current roster? 87.127.178.28 (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Here's the link to the FCW Roster http://www.fcwwrestling.com/talent.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.110.68.234 (talk) 00:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Commentary
From most of the editions of FCW so far, I have only ever seen Dusty Rhodes and Josh Matthews on commentary, is there any actual proof that Byron Saxton and Fletcher Chase has taken over? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.249.107 (talk) 18:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I dont believe the reference of Chad Lail is correct. He wrestles as Phill Shatter in the Carolinas, but does have a development deal with WWE ldeffinbaugh 05:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Divas
Why does someone keep changing the Divas parts? I have added Alicia, Tiffany and Rosa multiple times as despite their call ups they still compete regularly on FCW and their profiles remain on the website. Also Serena hasn't been confirmed to have signed a contract yet, despite speculation therefore she souldn't even be on there either? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.249.107 (talk) 21:46, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

There are 2 new Divas, Vannah real name Su Yung & Verity Thomas real name Vicky Skeeles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.129.167 (talk) 10:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Changes
First, the tag champs can not possibly be correct since Caylen Croft is now going under a new name. Second, I noticed that Lupe and Maverick were taken off already. I am going to remove Jon Cutler and Kafu as they have both been released. 98.222.193.229 (talk) 05:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

More changes include Fletcher Chase becoming co-GM and allowing Abrahahm Washington to become General Manager, in exchange for joining his faction, whys this been changed back when even Lord of Pain have an article dedicated to it? Do people that edit this place actually watch the show? They also had an article on Cash's status, saying her Fifi gimmick was one off to promote Le Frenchmen, yet its changed back everytime. Does anyone actually make changes to this place when they happen or spend their time just undoing them for 'fun'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.199.80 (talk) 19:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Lance Hoyt is using his full name in FCW
Check the FCW roster page http://www.fcwwrestling.info/talent.html (just updated today), he's using his full name "Lance Hoyt" not just the name "Hoyt".

Kip Christanson IS Kip Christanson not Phill Shatter (Chad Lail)
I sent an E-Mail to FCW, and got a response from Steve Keirn himself. He told me that Phill Shatter (Chad Lail)are "not the same guy". Chad Lail was quickly released. I was able to confirm the St. John’s basketball star Kip Christianson, and the FCW Kip Christanson are the same guy. Through this site http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kipp-christianson/12/a3/b40 photographs, an E-Mail to FCW, and his facebook / myspace page:

http://www.nba.com/dleague/players/kipp_christianson.html

Kip Christainson played college basketball for St. John’s university, and played in the NBA developmental league too

So here is the REAL Kip Christainson info:

Wrestler: Kip Christianson

Real Name: Kip Christianson

Birthday: September 30, 1974

Hometown: St. Cloud, Minnesota

Marital Status:

Height & Weight: 7’0” – 285 lbs

Trained by: FCW Training

Debut: 2008

Count Franklin Furter is not with FCW anymore
Someone keeps editing him back into the roster but it's been confirmed via his myspace and PWInsider.com that he's not in FCW anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.135.21.80 (talk) 16:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Even more FCW name changes...
At the FCW House show in Punta Gorda (on 7/15),

Fred Sampson was there using the ring name Fred Rosser, last week at the TV tapings he wrestled as Fred Sanford.

Lance Hoyt wrestled as Vance Archer, he was previously Lance Archer, and simply Hoyt.

Chris Raaber is now wrestling as Kristof Hertzog.

Tevita Fifita (Haku's son) is now using the name Donny Marlo.

Kip Christianson wrestled under the name Eli Cottonwood last night.

These are the results: Dos (Dos Caras Jr.) & Sicodelico defeated Vance Archer (former Lance Hoyt) & Kristof Hertzog Sweet Papi Sanchez pinned Mr. Tarver Joe Hennig, Heath Slater & Yoshi Tatsu beat Fletcher Chase, Troy Jackman & Donny Marlo Festus pinned Dylan Klein Maria, Serena (Serena Deeb) & Angela Fong beat Alicia Fox, Natalya & Layla Eli Cottonwood (aka Kip Christianson) squashed Fred Rossen Tyson Kidd (w/Natalya) defeated Johnny Curtis via submission FCW Florida Tag Team Champions Trent Beretta & Caylen Croft defeated Kris Logan & Justin Angel FCW Florida Heavyweight Champion Tyler Reks defeated Drew McIntyre and Sheamus O’Shaunessy in a triple threat match Yoshi Tatsu won a 20-man battle royal last eliminating Alex Riley

CM Punk, Maria and Layla signed autographs before the show. Thanks to Mike Spears —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.49.199 (talk) 13:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Fallen Diablo and Aaron Reeds
Has it been confirmed that Aaron Reeds Name has been changed to Fallen Diablo under the FCW Roster it states that his name is Vlad??? when it should be Aaron Reeds as the link next to it also takes to to Aaron Reeds Signing Pat21539 12:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)pat21532 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat21539 (talk • contribs)

New Development Signings
Reon Mahima and Joe Gomez has been signed to a development contract

http://flrankings.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=13400&page=1 Pat21539 21:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)Pat21539Pat21539 21:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Shane
Why do you have write in the Shane Sewell article's that he is working in FCW but no in the FCW Roster? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Rashard Goff and Chris McNeil
Rashard Goff and Chris McNeil are wrestling in FCW: http://www.pwinsider.com/article/41915/florida-championship-wrestling-results-from-tampa-fl-tyson-kidd-bugsy-mcgraw-courtney-taylor-tyler-reks-yoshi-tatsu-and-more.html?p=1

http://flrankings.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=13678

Rashard Goff: http://www.csuvikings.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/goff_rashard00.html

Chris McNeil: http://www.okstate.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/mcneil_chris00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.49.199 (talk) 19:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Curt Hawkins
In case you people have been living under a rock for the past few months, let me remind you who is in FCW right now Curt Hawkins —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.55.137 (talk) 03:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

In case you have been living under a rock for the past few months, it's called signing your posts. Anyways, as noted on The talk page for Curt Hawkins, he is the FCW tag team champion now (or so we think, it's still a cloudy subject), and we might need to find out and update the tag title reigns. K P McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 08:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

A Lord of Pain report says that the Dudebusters trio have been allowed the right to compete with the title under firebird rules as they did with the Spirit Squad, I did put this in, but someone's taken in out. Minus the LOP report, I have no other evidence, but seeing as LOP is made up of numerous other sites reports its as good as any source.--81.155.196.91 (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Lords of Pain is a dirtsheet website, not a reliable source. PW Torch, a reliable website, should have a few FCW TV reports. For more reliable sources, check WP:PW's style guide.-- Will C  09:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I updated the Curt Hawkins page with the Freebird Rule and have various sources backing it there and tried to change it here but I don't know how to make Trent also get added to the tag title thing as current champion and to add to the days he's been champion. I have a reliable TV Report from PWInsider on the Hawkins page.190.59.31.234 (talk) 06:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * PWInsider has yet to be proven as a reliable source. If you can prove its reliablity, then by all means do so.-- Will C  07:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Updates
I updated the roster to include roster members who haven't fully graducated from FCW to WWE. Wrestlers like Vance Archer, Eric Escobar and Tyler Reks, still appear on the shows or are at least listed on the website (the most valid source) and therfore not to have them is surely contradicting the rule? Before it looked like they'd been copied and pasted from the WWE roster page which misses out this information because it has it in its notes on the main roster page. That's fine because it features all four brands, whereas this one doesn't and needs the information of those who are neither here or there at the moment such as the Dudebusters appearing as the tag champs whilst two of the members work on the main brand. Also some people need to remain there, Byron is always the PbP commentator on FCW (or at least the color commentator til Rhodes went AWOL) and until Jim Ross comes back we'll find out whether Striker returns to ECW or if Ross fills another role we'll find out whether he is anything more than a relief commentator. Abraham is still the GM of FCW. Roster should be determined by who is and isn't on the official page (which is always kept up to date) unless there is a valid source elsewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.91.86 (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Why has all this been edited like its irrelevant despite the fact it clearly goes against itself? So FCW's official site and tapings isn't a reliable source now? Dusty Rhodes has commented in months now and if there's champions that are inbetween development and main brand, they should still be listed. Same for those acting out other roles. --86.155.91.86 (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Hunico
Jorge Arias is not Hunico's real name, no one knows in fact. Please stop placing the name Jorge Arias as his real name.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 04:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Since theres no information on whether this is his real name I guess it can be taken as vandalism. 81.141.102.111 (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

It might be a good idea if someone try's to find his real name. I would try to but I have a lot on my plate right now and don't have the time.-- Steam   Iron  18:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Queen of FCW Tournament names
I don't know how many times I have to sing this song, but the tune goes the same, the names should be kept as they were billed at the time! Jenny Cash NOT Penny Cash! Wesley Holliday NOT Courtney Taylor and Angela not Savannah! It's not hard, I don't know why whoever keeps changing it, because all you have to do is look at the videos of the tournament itself (which are easy enough to find on YouTube) to see who's who. If this is suppose to be an information center, then surely you want it right from when it happened? Not according to 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.93.123 (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

PAGE PROTECTION NOW
Can someone fix this page and get it permanently protect it from non-users? This page has gone to vandals!--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I have requested page protection.-- Steam   Iron  01:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The page has been vandalised again! Can we get permanent protection on this page? I want to fix it, but I'm about to break the 3RR Rule.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 23:45, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

You do not want to fix it, guy. You are trying to put some wrong informations. I was just showing you watch is wrong. I am a FCW fan and I am really pissed reading the article and noticing a lot of things the are not real. The visual pollution is not helping too. Look, I am not saying that you are not trying to help the article, but that are some pieces of information that are wrong. I am help this article to grow since it was crated. Thank you for understand.
 * Look, I don't remember The Usos being called The Uso Brothers, they never broke up their alliance with Donny Marlow, G-Rilla and Tamina. You're right about Brett and Joe not being together. But the other info is wrong.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 23:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

So, please, show me where they are called The Usos. In live events they are called The Uso Brothers. On TV they are called by their single names. And Reks and Archer are there just to have some "pros" to call people like the others "pros" but they are not apearing on TV tapings anymore for example. They are members of Smackdown roster that sometimes make special "visits". But they are not part os FCW roster anymore.
 * I guess you're right. I'll admit something to you, I haven't seen FCW. I want to, but since it's in Florida and not nationwide i have to move there. It's the only WWE programming I've haven't watched. I don't know where to watch FCW.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 00:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I do not know if it is legal to say here, but search some torrents on Google. I believe that if you find you will like it a lot.
 * I think I saw some clips of FCW on YouTube, maybe I'll check there. Plus, since WWE is planning to have a network soon, maybe FCW will be airing exclusively on that channel. I hope it does.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you'll find both Reks and Archer are listed as FCW and main roster stars, they are not special guests, they are simply semi-graduated from FCW, meaning they can appear on both shows due to the fact that most of the time they have a limited position on the main roster (dark shows) due to ECW's closure. This is the same with Savannah and Serena, I remember I too tried to correct this stuff by listing them on the roster as well as noting that there aren't just two commentators due to Rhodes' schedule, yet it seems these are being corrected for no reason. I agree, it's frustrating when people who actually watch the show do something based on results and they're corrected by people who don't know what's going on. I added the Divas title tournament results, based on results, so they are valid. --213.1.32.160 (talk) 17:23, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit War
It seems that two editors Yugiohmike2001 & the IP 187.15.63.142 are currently engaged in a edit war, Over removal of content. Please fell free to comment on both sides of your story Yugiohmike2001 & the IP 187.15.63.142.-- Steam   Iron  04:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * He want's to remove info that I was only copying from the List of World Wrestling Entertainment employees's FCW section. He want's it to be TV only, since FCW tapes their episodes a few weeks in advance. I just want it to be just like FCW's WWE employees section, with info on current FCW stars and add eliminated NXT rookies who were on FCW back on. I know this dude too, as we have half barnstars. He was once IP 189.106.76.221, which I've asked him to join wikipedia since it's free.--Yugiohmike2001 (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I have made a tag under the Roster '''The FCW Roster is based on the information of the FCW Talent Page ( http://www.fcwwrestling.info/talent.html ). Please don't remove wrestlers and Divas that are listed there.''' Let's take all employees of FCW who are listed there. The FCW wrestlers and Divas who also appear on Raw, SmackDown and NXT are a part of FCW, too! They belong in the list. Everybody who removes employees who are listed on http://www.fcwwrestling.info/talent.html does vandalism! --Hixteilchen (talk) 16:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Let's take all employees of FCW who are listed there." Not all wrestlers there are employees of FCW neither are on development. The FCW Roster topic is just for FCW wrestlers, not Raw, Smackdown or NXT.

Are you stupid, IP clown? We take the FCW talent page as the reliable source. Every wrestler and Diva who is listed on the page is listed here! I will undo every change you do! I am patient! --Hixteilchen (talk) 17:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The weapon of the weak is the insult. The FCW talent page is a reliable source, of corse. The one that I use. Excluding, obviously, wrestlers that are not more in development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.15.32.66 (talk) 20:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

We don't exclude any of the wrestlers on the talent page! The FCW wrestlers and Divas on Raw and Smackdown do appear on FCW, too. Serena appears on FCW. The NXT season 1 rookies appear on FCW. Everybody on the talent page appears on FCW! Watch it on Youtube! You are the guy who does vandalism! You don't sign your comment so we cannot take you seroius and you have no wiki account. That says it all. --Hixteilchen (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They all appear on FCW. Christian and The Miz appear on FCW. Shad appears on FCW. Even Jamie Noble appears on FCW. This means nothing. All wrestlers not on development when appear on FCW are recognised for the show they are part. I do not need to watch it on Youtube, because I watch all the shows. And there is the matter of visual pollution you are causing to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.15.90.220 (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh my God. "Visual polution". what a word. That's ridicioulous. You do vandalism cause you remove correct information on the page. So you said I am right. As long the WWE Superstars and NXT Rookies ALSO compete in FCW, they are listed HERE! So we take the ALL persons ont the talent page! --Hixteilchen (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Page has been protected. Sort it out and let me know when you stop the slap fight. Syrthiss (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I have a discussion under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling Thank you for protecting the page! --Hixteilchen (talk) 15:40, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

FCW Tag Champs
Los Aviadores (Hunico and Orlando Colon) d. The Usos to become the NEW FCW Tag Team Champions. Can someone edit that in. http://pwinsider.com/article/48075/63-fcw-results-featuring-old-and-new-nxt-stars-and-a-few-wwe-guys-as-well.html?p=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.216.104 (talk) 15:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

NXT invasion at FCW house show on 9th June 2010
Shall we add that NXT came down to a FCW house show and did the same thing that they did on Raw. This was at a house show in Melborune, Florida. This match report is from www.wrestlezone.com

"After everyone hit their finishers, all the NXT season mafia came out to beat down miz and Christian. I was at the Monday night show, and couldn't believe that I was seeing this again. NXT mafia destroyed miz and Christian as well as the ring, just like on raw".

I am not sure if this is should go into the FCW section but its worth asking.

(Chrispowellathome (talk) 10:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)) I dont know how to sign posts but i am Chrispowellathome

Devin Allen
Does anybody seem to know who Devin Allen really Is —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.39.115 (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Nope. --Hixteilchen (talk) 23:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Queen of FCW a title, not accomplishment
I don't know when the Queen of FCW section was reduced to the weak accomplishment way it is now, but I think it should be reinstated as a proper championship style section it was before because it's being competed for in matches, not tournaments and it has changed hands a number of times more than years its been around so it's clearly not an annual competition. The name might be misleading but it clearly is a championship. Tony2Times (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

It is not a title. It is an accomplishment like Miss Wrestlemania (that changed hands and was competed for in matches too). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.15.12.88 (talk) 18:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * In what way isn't it a title? Just because it doesn't have a belt representing it. If it can be contested for outside of a tournament/special match type it's a championship as, regrettably, the Miss WrestleMania crown became when Vickie won it. The belt is just a prop, as is the crown. Tony2Times (talk) 23:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Identitys of New Talent
For those who want the short version of new talent: "Mike McGrath" = Mattias Wild, Real name: Matt Clement "Kenneth Cameron" = Tom Latimer (real name) from England "Monty Lynch" = Rampage Brown, Real name: Oliver Biney from England —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.89.60.103 (talk) 02:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Queen of FCW/FCW Divas title and more
1 If you watch FCW you can see that the last names for Naomi and A.J. are still used.

2 The divas and Queen of FCW titles are announced with the FCW name in front of it, with no exception ever. Only the Heavyweight and tag titles use the 'Florida' name in front of the titles. So it's not Queen of Florida or Florida Divas Champion, it's Queen of FCW and FCW Divas Champion. Even if the FCW site lists it as Florida, I think what is consistently used on TV every week without exception is what is more reliable.

3 The Queen crown has been the main part of the divas in FCW division for two years now. It is referred to as a title on the website AND on TV so it should get its own section as a title, not an 'other accomplishment'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestling0101 (talk • contribs) 04:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It was perfect the way it was. We know all of it.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 04:53, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I did not remove the Florida 15 winner. You mustve been so quick to revert my edit in a matter of minutes that you didn't even check the page. You think it was perfect the way it was but obviously I disagree and I gave some reasoning for my edits Wrestling0101 (talk) 04:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As I pointed out above, the Queen of Florida/FCW crown is clearly not an accomplishment because it is not contested in an annual tournament, a specific match type or anything similar. It was won in a tournament then was contested for at regular and irregular intervals. It is not one in a sporadic bbut recurring tournament, like the King of the Ring; it is not one in a specific match type, like the King of the Mountain; it is not won by winning a league like the AJPW Grand Prix. It is won in Queen of FCW matches, fought at any given time, exactly like a championship. Just because it had a different name, doesn't stop it being a Title, it's just they couldn't be arsed to buy a belt instead of a tiara. Addendum: the news section states the title of the female titles to be FCW, not Florida. So conflicting reports on the same site. Tony2Times (talk) 13:17, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Rosa Mendes
Rosa is not on the FCW website diva page, should she be on the roster on the wiki page? I'm not really sure but according to some person on here, Alex Riley can't be on the raw Roster and can't get the 'also appears on Raw' statement on the page, so should the same apply to Rosa? Wrestling0101 (talk) 20:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

FCW Alumni Section?
Since FCW's website now has a alumni section, should the wikipage include this info?--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 22:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it should ever have been included, it just seems like a covert form of advertising and an attempt to inflate FCW by showing how many "future stars" train there. Given it's a WWE exclusive training company, it's not exactly noteworthy. Tony2Times (talk) 11:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * If I remember, I'm going to be bold and take this section down in a few days for the reasons I said above. If someone wishes to oppose me I'd rather discuss it here than begin an edit war. Tony2Times (talk) 10:07, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Audrey Marie
is there a article to audrey or not because i get redirected every time i click on it? --Nakurio (talk) 10:12, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Florida Championship wrestling is now defunct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbierangers (talk • contribs) 02:12, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Name Change to NXT Wrestling
It seems that they've completely revamped and are now known as NXT Wrestling. I think they've even renamed the titles to the NXT name, if just retroactively. Should we go ahead and change the references in the articles? JoJoTrue (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

FCW is Not WWE NXT.
FCW is now a defunct promotion. It has no connection with WWE NXT as NXT has its own history and was running the same time as FCW. FCW has now stopped — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbierangers (talk • contribs) 02:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically, NXT was connected with FCW as NXT featured FCW superstars as "NXT Rookies". Now FCW has become NXT and everything FCW-related is under the NXT name(not counting the FCW titles, as they were dropped).--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 02:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats not the case. So what your telling me is when wcw wrestlers went on wwe, wwe became wcw? but with a different name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbierangers (talk • contribs) 02:47, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, when WCW folded, the wrestlers became "free agents" and WWE picked them up and they became WWE superstars. Since all of the wrestlers in FCW were signed to WWE, they were all WWE superstars(called FCW superstars in FCW). So when FCW changed their name to NXT Wrestling, the FCW superstars became "NXT superstars".--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 02:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Once you can provide a reliable source that states FCW changed its name to NXT, your article can be kept, but as it stands all evidence points towards FCW no longer being a WWE Show but NXT continuing from its start in 2010 but with a different format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbierangers (talk • contribs) 02:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's a source.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's another one, the one you accidentlly removed.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 03:04, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Right ok, What i think should happen then is to keep the FCW article but state that it was the developmental system of the wwe and is not used anymore. And on the NXT page have that NXT is the developmental system in the WWE. Seing as NXT has its own history that started in 2010 and so does FCW that started in 2007. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbierangers (talk • contribs) 03:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a very simple argument to solve. type in www.fcwwrestling.info and you will see their home page even though the URL is the same the name has been changed to WWE NXT. BXCanada (talk)

Rediculous
Cmon guys this is getting kind of out of hand now. You have and NXT page claiming it is FCW with no recollection on the page of any of the history form when it was a main wwe show or any of its seasons. Someone has even went on to say it was founded in 2007....WHAT? It didn't even start until 2010. Yes i understand that NXT is now the where the "up and comers" wrestle, because it has replaced FCW as that show to do that. So what you just not going to acknowledge its existence when it was a main wwe show? This definetly needs cleaned up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.176.238 (talk) 04:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. The info given on the article is incorrect. This will be sorted in due course (admin) Robbierangers (talk) 03:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but NXT Wrestling shares it's history with Florida Championship Wrestling, as it's the same company. FCW became NXT Wrestling because most of the FCW wrestlers were NXT Rookies. WWE decided to revamp it's only developmental territory to reflect the changes.--Keith Okamoto (talk) 04:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge NXT articles together
This is a mess, why is there a WWE NXT and a WE NXT? -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 05:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * WE NXT was my botch, needs to be deleted. Yet, I disagree with the merging of all the articles. I think NXT Wrestling the developmental territory deserves its own article, but WWE NXT and History needs to be merged, with that article detailing Season 1 to Season 5. Starship.paint (talk) 08:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Strongly Disagree. "NXT Wrestling" is a promotion and is a different subject than the show of "WWE NXT". "History of WWE NXT" shows the previous version of NXT that WWE had before it became a showcase of FCW's roster. The split of "WWE NXT" is completely necessary by the previous sheer length and confusion of the "WWE NXT" article alone. Srsrox (talk) 12:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Partially Agree I feel that NXT Wrestling, as a promotion, should have its own article replacing the old Florida Championship Wrestling article, as it already does. As far as the television show of the same name though, there should only be one article, despite the change in focus. There's is no need for an article titled History of WWE NXT. In MY opinion, that made it more confusing than some are claiming it was already. The show is the show, despite changes in format. That's like creating two articles for a band who change their musical style. As far as differentiating the two articles, I suggest naming them something like WWE NXT (wrestling promotion) and WWE NXT (television show). That should eliminate any confusion. NJZombie (talk) 13:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * But using your argument, you're still suggesting 3 articles (1 for promotion, 2 for show). The reason why the article was confusing and long in the first place was due to the history of WWE NXT. This is why I recommended "History of NXT" to cut down on the size of the article and place all that info on a separate page. It just so happens it changed in format too at the same time.Srsrox (talk) 14:34, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest re-reading what I wrote if that's what you think I said. What I said was 1 article for the promotion and 1 article for the television show. The television show article would cover all version of the show. There's no precedent for making a "History of NXT" article and I personally do not find it confusing or particularly long to include the show's entire history and details in one article. The only thing that should probably be kept separate is the article about the promotion itself. If two shows that were totally unrelated shared the same name, that would be a reason to have separate articles. In the case of NXT, they don't. In fact, they're not even different shows. There's one show that changed its format and it should all be reflected in one place. NJZombie (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Splitting Please look over this again. I again use the argument of splitting due to sheer length and confusion. It the reason we split articles on Wikipedia. It states it clearly in that article. We either need to keep it split or we need to significantly reduce the size and reorganize so that it is not confusing. Otherwise, I stand completely where I am now and say strongly disagree. Srsrox (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I was the one who separated the articles and I believe that it shouldn't be merge into one whole article because as mentioned before it's long and confusing. As far as we're all concerned WWE ended "their" NXT when they finished season five, after that it became an entirely different show they just kept the name, but the roster and format changed. That's why the articles are separated because NXT as a reality television program is one thing and WWE NXT as a sports entertainment show is another, it is all explained in the area that says History of NXT and in the case you want the entire history of the reality television program there's the article "History of NXT". It will be completely confusing to merge both articles much more to merge the one about FCW in there too.Kerbymanuel (talk) 02:42, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * WWE NXT and NXT Wrestling clearly cannot be merged. However, I will consider a rename like this for History of WWE NXT: WWE NXT (reality show) and for WWE NXT: WWE NXT (NXT Wrestling program) or something close to that. Srsrox (talk) 19:13, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with your suggestion, NJZombie. If I may refine your suggestion, just as what as been done with the page Sin Cara, we use the "WWE NXT" page as a blank portal to the two "forms" of NXT: "WWE NXT (wrestling promotion)" and "WWE NXT (television show)". Although, I think "television show" should be renamed as "competition format" or "seasonal format" or "Season 1-5". Starship.paint (talk) 11:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Starship, "WWE NXT" is a show, not a promotion. "NXT Wrestling" is a promotion. Don't confuse the definitions. WWE NXT used to be a reality show, but now is a show that showcases NXT Wrestling's (formerly Florida Championship Wrestling's) talent. Make sure you understand the terms that are being used by WWE. Srsrox (talk) 19:05, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Strongly Disagree. They are all different in many ways and should not be merged together because they are totally different articles, therefore they should not be merged together.WWE+TNAMustCombine! (talk) 21:12, 9 November 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WWE+TNAMustCombine! (talk • contribs)
 * Did you even read what NJZombie proposed? We aren't proposing merging NXT Wrestling with the old competition show format. Starship.paint (talk) 11:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But you guys need to understand the terms here. Reread the articles and understand what the difference between WWE NXT and NXT Wrestling is. There is a significant difference. Srsrox (talk) 19:05, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to add in the archived WP:PW discussion here in brown. Starship.paint (talk) 10:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a topic revive... below is the old info. Starship.paint (talk) 03:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Recently it has come to my attention that we have three NXT articles... NXT Wrestling, WWE NXT and History of WWE NXT. Firstly, "NXT Wrestling" is the renamed Florida Championship Wrestling article, renamed after FCW was rebranded to NXT. As for the latter two articles, it was proposed (click!) by Srsrox in August to split the article. Recently Kerbymanuel split the two articles, but I look at it now and there's still a lot of overlap IMO. I'd like for the project to weigh in on this matter... should we have only two articles, one for NXT 1-5 (proposed by Keith Okamoto) and the second for FCW + NXT6? Or any other alternative anyone wants to propose? Starship.paint (talk) 13:27, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's a litte info on what Starship eluded to. I wanted to create a NXT page that focused on the "Reality Competition" version (Seasons 1-5) and a page for the new NXT. But Kerbymanuel messed up and now there's three pages for NXT instead of the two I've proposed. The NXT Wrestling article is ok, but it needs more help. Keith Okamoto (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, now, here is the current situation. Basically, me and K.O. decided that we should merge the articles back, and after posting on the talk page discussion about merging the articles, I proceeded to do so. Some background info, the original "WWE NXT" article was moved to "History of WWE NXT" by Kerbymanuel. After merging the two articles I tried to move History back to "WWE NXT", but only an admin could do so, so I temporarily moved it to "Wikipedia:WWE NXT". Yet, Kerbymanuel, who had been silent since I proposed the merging of the articles and K.O. agreed, soon split the articles again and undid my actions. I don't want an edit war, so I'd like the Project to come to a consensus on whether we should merge or split the articles WWE NXT and History of WWE NXT. My proposal, which K.O. agrees with, is that we merge the articles into "WWE NXT", whichj would focus on Season 1 to Season 5 of NXT, while the article NXT Wrestling would focus on the developmental territory period. Two articles for Seasons 1-5 is redundant. Starship.paint (talk) 03:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What's up with the weird name WE NXT ? -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 05:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had my Sin Cara mask on at that time and created WE NXT. That needs to be deleted. Starship.paint (talk) 07:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I think we need all three articles (not including "WE NXT"). "NXT Wrestling" is the promotion, "WWE NXT" is the show. I think "History of WWE NXT" is completely necessary because it'll basically talk about when NXT was a reality show before it became a showcase of FCW talent. The split of "WWE NXT" and "History of WWE NXT" will clear up any confusion of the very, very long article of "WWE NXT" to two articles of 2 different subjects. I say keep all three and clean them up. Srsrox (talk) 13:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're getting it Srsrox. WWE NXT and History of WWE NXT needs to be merged because it's about the competition version of NXT while NXT Wrestling is the current NXT. Keith Okamoto (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm with K.O. here. To clarify, we plan to merge History of WWE NXT with WWE NXT. Then, for that merged article, WWE NXT, we plan to remove the details of the developmental territory. Pretty much all mentions of the developmental territory will go to NXT Wrestling. We'll just leave a short note in the WWE NXT article that the competition period had ended and FCW turned into NXT. WWE NXT need not be about two different subjects, but only about Season 1 to 5. Starship.paint (talk) 01:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes but that still does not solve what was the original problem. The sheer length and confusion of the competition on the page. We need a way of either collapsing it by season or move the section to another article due to sheer length (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Splitting). As much as I agree it's still the same name of the show ("WWE NXT"), the article has to either be split or significantly reduced (or collapsed). The length alone justifies the split. Srsrox (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Frankly, if you take a look, History of WWE NXT has a lot of the info of WWE NXT. Production, on-air personalities and international broadcasters (which WWE NXT has) are all in History, so how much longer would WWE NXT if we were to merge the page? Not much! Also, regarding length, a significant amount of the article of History is comprised of tables, which take up space does not contribute as much as to information. Regarding the confusion of the competition, it's simple. Already in History we talk about the two different "modes" of NXT in the header paragraph and in the main body. That should clarify any confusion. P.S. regarding article size, I did some sort of a word count and it clocks in at 5,883, below the 6,000-10,000 "large article guideline" from your link. Without the tables, the article doesn't even exceed 5,000 words. Starship.paint (talk) 02:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Can we hit the RESET button? Jut hear me out, will ya? Let me make this really clear to everyone: NXT Wrestling does not need to be merged into anything else. That article should stand. What I am concerned about is the "WWE NXT" and "History of WWE NXT". We do not need two articles of content, only one! They need to be merged into an article regarding Season 1 to Season 5, then we rename that article to (as Srsrox proposed): WWE NXT (reality show). As for WWE NXT, let's make it into a disambiguation page (without content) to link to both WWE NXT (reality show) and NXT Wrestling. I have taken the liberty to construct the articles already on my user subpages. Here they are. User:Starship.paint/WWE NXT and User:Starship.paint/WWE NXT (reality show). Starship.paint (talk) 10:44, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree and use those examples Starship.paint showed. It will bring this chaos of three articles down to the official two and make a disambiguation page that will help tremendously. Keith Okamoto (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But again, WWE NXT is NOT a reality show anymore. It is a program that presents NXT Wrestling's roster. It's no longer a reality show, so naming it "WWE NXT (reality show)" won't work as a blanket name. How about "WWE NXT" and in the disambiguation page, state that is it a television program and that will solve that. You can't add more description in the article's name unless there is another "WWE NXT", which there isn't. In the actual WWE NXT article, split it into two parts: One for the reality part and one for the showcase of NXT Wrestling talent. That way, we have "WWE NXT" with two parts within it that explains everything well. And for Pete's sakes, make a way to collapse all the details for each season. It's just super extensive... I like where this is heading though! (If you still want to split WWE NXT to two, I like what you've done so far, Starship!) Srsrox (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The "reality show" article is a blanket name for only the five seasons and nothing to do with the developmental show. "WWE NXT" will serve as a disambiguation page. The television show of NXT Wrestling will be in the NXT Wrestling article. Just like FCW TV was in the FCW article, the show of NXT Wrestling should remain in the NXT Wrestling article. Starship.paint (talk) 13:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Strongly Disagree. This way with the three articles (the promotion, the TV show and the TV show history) is better. I do not even think that the current "season" of NXT fits in the promotion article. WWEJobber (talk) 16:53, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's one thing to disagree, but to oppose without providing a reason or logic to back it up... might be construed as disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Anyway, I don't know why we should seperate the show and the promotion for the developmental territory. FCW did not, so why does NXT? Then you will have to mix the reality show and the developmental show. Starship.paint (talk) 02:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Excuse me but I do not log into this site every day to check on articles which why i've be "silent" through this whole process, The reason I separated the articles is because IT'S CONFUSING! NXT is no longer a reality television show and having all of the information of the reality competition together with the new sports entertainment show makes it confusing for people who look the article just to read on the new version. If anyone else wants to merge, switch, change or delete be my guest I was just trying to help and make the reading experience better because we're talking about TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TV SHOWS WHO JUST SO HAPPENS TO HAVE THE SAME NAME. With that being said, I say goodbye Kerbymanuel (talk) 05:27, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Even if the format of the show changed it always was a developmental show. If now it has more wrestling and less "reality" do not change the fact that it is the same show with the same reason: to present new faces (the developmental roster wrestlers) to the public. And the current format has been used since the "season 5" (Redemption) when they stopped with the redemption points and the pros-rookies thing and it became more of a "sports entertainment" show. If the problem is that FCW TV show does not have an article we can solve it by creating one. WWEJobber (talk) 17:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * By the term "developmental show" I understand it to be "the television show of a developmental territory". NXT 1-5 was clearly not a show for any developmental territory. It was distinct from FCW at that time. Season 5 stopped with the Redemption points... halfway. So there was still an element of reality at some point in the season. It wasn't totally devoid of "reality". Starship.paint (talk) 23:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * But halfway it already assumed the current format. NXT 1-4 was a show for developmental wrestlers. It was not produced by the developmental staff like FCW but the wrestlers that appeared during this era still was in developmental and everything they did reflected on FCW. And appearing in NXT did not provide a place in the main roster automatically (just ask Conor O'Brian). WWEJobber (talk) 01:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * NXT 1-4 was a show for developmental wrestlers... umm, they were developmental wrestlers in FCW. Just because they appear on NXT doesn't mean NXT is also a developmental territory. They were travelling with the main roster, performing before SmackDown... as NXT Rookies. And let's not forget the NXT Pros, the Hosts? To me, it's the classification of "developmental territory" that leads to the branding of "developmental wrestlers". In a sense, NXT 1-5 was main roster. And about NXT 5 "assuming the current format", NXT did become devoid of challenges and instead have storylines, but it did not become a developmental territory. Starship.paint (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * They were still developmental on NXT. NXT 1-5 was half main roster (the Pros), half developmental (the Rookies). On NXT season 1 all wrestlers were on developmental until after the end of the season (Daniel Bryan was an exception because he was never part of FCW roster). They including wrestled a lot of NXT shows with Nexus gear. After NXT season 2 just Kaval, Michael McGillicutty and Alex Riley became part of the main roster. Bray Wyatt (Husky Harris at the time) appeared on Raw but never left the developmental. After NXT season 3 just Kaytlin became part of the main roster. AJ Lee left the developmental just in the beginning of the following year and Aksana in the middle of it. Naomi left only in the beginning of this year (2012). After NXT season 4 just Johnny Curtis and Brodus Clay became part of the main roster. During NXT season 5 Titus O'Neil, Derrick Bateman, Percy Watson and Maxine all left the developmental (the last three were never assigned to a specific brand although all of them competed Smackdown tours because NXT were taped on the same day as the show). Byron Saxton and Conor O'Brian never left the developmental until now. Lucky Cannon, Eli Cottonwood, Jamie and Jacob Novak all were future endevoured while still developmental. I never said that NXT (1-5) was also a developmental territory, but a show with developmental wrestlers. WWEJobber (talk) 15:18, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In all due respect WWEJobber, I want to agree with everything you're saying, but I can't. Yes, by name the show is the same (and I still think it's best for three articles), but the reality show and FCW's roster, although containing many of the same wrestlers, are not the same. They were two different entities since WWE NXT's inception. Only recently have they merged/changed [names]. So trying to group them together isn't a valid argument by definition.

Either way, I somehow think we all are actually saying the same thing and just misunderstanding another. Seriously, I think we're all saying the same thing, just not communicating it good enough. So let's drop it. That's not the point anyways.

Let's get back to the topic.

Let's make it simple:


 * "NXT Wrestling" article will stay.


 * Bottom line question: Which do we go with?
 * Current format?
 * Rename to "WWE NXT (reality show)" and another article being "WWE NXT (program)" (something close to that)?
 * Merge the WWE NXT articles, but make two very well defined sections about the two different versions of WWE NXT?

Srsrox (talk) 22:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Current format (3 articles: developmental territory, TV show and history of the TV show). WWEJobber (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've already made my point. WWE NXT -> disambiguation page. NXT Wrestling -> everything on the developmental territory and "season 6". WWE NXT (reality show) -> the renamed "History of WWE NXT", with the current "WWE NXT" merged into it, everything on season 1-5. Three pages, but effectively two articles. Starship.paint (talk) 03:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with Starship, it's still the three pages, but it's more acceptable to wiki standards. Keith Okamoto (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The disambiguation page already exists. WWEJobber (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "disambiguation page already exists"? Keith Okamoto (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * NXT already exists. Simple as that. WWEJobber (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * So, you're mind is set that we need to merged the History of WWE NXT and the WWE NXT page into one and keep NXT Wrestling, Jobber? Keith Okamoto (talk) 20:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No I did not say it. Keep the "History of WWE NXT" article too. WWEJobber (talk) 20:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. If we keep those three articles, what would you do to said articles and make them better? Keith Okamoto (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not understanding. Is it an interview? WWEJobber (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'm just asking because I'm hoping we can work together on solving this issue once and for all. Keith Okamoto (talk) 21:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if 'NXT' is a disambigation page already, then just redirect WWE NXT to it. I'm not budging on my stance. I firmly believe Seasons 1-5 need to be separated from the developmental show/Season 6, and we should not have a 'WWE NXT' article mixing both together. Starship.paint (talk) 08:10, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The TV show is one thing. The developmental territory is another totally different. You cannot divide one thing and put a piece like it is whole. And you cannot pick the other piece and merge with something different. WWEJobber (talk) 07:16, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * While Season 1-5 are clearly totally different from NXT Wrestling, Season 6 is not. It's the TV Show of the developmental territory. Oh come on. This is getting nowhere. We have to agree to disagree. We clearly need people to take sides here (KO and Srsrox?). I'm going to PM people from the WP:PW project to get them to choose. Starship.paint (talk) 10:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course a TV program is different from a facility. You may be blind. WWEJobber (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I vote for the current format too. The three articles (the television program, its history and the developmental territory) are good in the way they are right now. Nomelck (talk) 02:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok I say current format too. After all, I DID originally ask for the split. Now I say let's end the merge discussion and continue editing! Srsrox (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion
I suggest merging the "Developmental roster" section of WWE's page into NXT Wrestling's roster because it is the exact same. It seems very redundant. We could instead put "See: NXT Wrestling Roster" on WWE's Developmental roster page.

Thoughts? Being bold. Srsrox (talk) 16:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It ain't exact the same.
 * NXT Wrestling Roster: lists the developmental roster members that work on main roster.
 * List of WWE personnel: lists the roles of Administration on NXT program; list who's yet to appear on NXT.
 * You'd say to list everything on developmental roster page and even then I'll disagree coz the NXT television show (the roles and the debuts) ain't important to the farm. As an option we'd just list the roster on developmental page in the same way that we list the Alumni and let the detailed list on WWE personnel page (but I personally don't like this idea very much too). AARDJ (talk) 18:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree as well. Adding to the point listed by AARDJ, when NXT Wrestling was known as Florida Championship Wrestling, this section wasn't merged, this is this same concept, also the developmental roster is still part of the WWE Roster, they are all WWE employees. Jeffhardyred (talk) 22:07, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. (I started this debate.) Are we going to come up with some solution for the redundancy or are we just accepting it? That, I guess, is my question here. Srsrox (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As I already post'd don't see any redundancy. There're differences tween both o' them. They ain't the same section. They just look like coz the model's the same one. AARDJ (talk) 13:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was that English? Seriously, though, there is inherent redundancy, as the NXT roster is the WWE development roster. As for the executives, commentators, trainers, etc, there's no reason not to list them with the rest of the roster. NXT is a full-fledged promotion, not just a TV show, so there's going to be staff to run things. Att the same time, they have a more developed TV production than any indy, only behind TNA and the WWE, so there's more of that staff, too. They cannot be separated, the promotion and the television; having these redundant lists is trying to create an artificial distinction.
 * Too many details about debuts and such probably don't belong in a list anyway, so they could probably be kept as brief as possible in the notes column. oknazevad (talk) 18:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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