Talk:Florida Cracker Horse

Chickasaw
Wondering if the sources calling the FL Cracker a "Chickasaw" are wrong. Found an article on the Chickasaw horse, sounds like a totally different breed. http://www.chickasaw.net/history_culture/index_681.htm  I'd not change this article absent some source comparing the two, but maybe if the Chickasaw article ever gets created the ref in this one might want to be tweaked. Just for down the road. No biggie now. Montanabw (talk) 01:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there might be a little truth in both sides. According to Dutson, the original Chickasaw horses went extinct after assisting in the creation of both the Florida Cracker and the Quarter Horse. Today's Chickasaw is a recreation and approximation of the old breed, as the old lines are gone. Other sources confirm this, and say that although the new breed resembles the old one, it doesn't actually descend from it. Add this to the fact that I can't even find a mention of the "Chickasaw Horse Association" still existing, and I don't think that a separate article is really warranted. Note that the article you linked above is from 1977. Perhaps a mention in this article - something along the lines of:


 * "The original Chickasaw horse, bred by the Chickasaw Indians using horses captured from De Soto's expedition, went extinct after being used to create the Florida Cracker Horse.[ref] Some sources still use the Chickasaw name to describe the Florida Cracker Horses of today.[ref][ref][ref] In the 1970s there was a surge of interest in recreating the Chickasaw using horses bearing strong resemblances to the original breed,[ref] but this has since died out and the breed association that was created appears to no longer exist."


 * Or similar? Dana boomer (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That could work and I'd support that. Maybe we could create Chickasaw as a redirect and put it into the List of Horse breeds as "see Florida Cracker Horse"  Then, should someone disagree with your analysis, they can just find the source material. The other possibility would be to do the article as an extinct breed, like the Narragansett Pacer and etc. It would be short, but could cross link from Quarter Horse and Florida Cracker.    Montanabw (talk) 20:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Finally got around to adding this in. I did it as a new subsection of the history section, kind of like with the "strains and subtypes" sections we have in the Andalusian and Lusitano articles. This will allow it to be expanded or easily split off if new sources are found, and the article is not so large (only 13 kb right now, I think!) that it can't take the extra weight. Dana boomer (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * :Should we put in a redirect, and would it make any sense to add "Chickasaw horse -- See Florida Cracker Horse" in the list of horse breeds? (Thinking of this due to the new creation of the Choctaw horse article by a newbie)...  Montanabw (talk) 16:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

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Origin of "Cracker"
In the article it is stated that the origin of the word "Cracker" is due to cowboys cracking their whips. This is contrary to the Wikipedia article on Florida Crackers that clearly states that the origin of the word comes from an older English anachronistic usage of this word indicating someone who was loud and boastful and that the word "Cracker" was applied to early remote settlers of the lower English colonies. The word is used in this context by Shakespeare and others much earlier. This misconception of the relationship of this word to whipping is completely erroneous and needs to be purged from Wikipedia and other sources. If no one corrects this I will within the next few weeks. But before I do I would like to see a consensus on the history of it's usage which while I am certain of what I said is true, there are still some who claim there a third, alternate etymology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.213.97 (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)


 * On page 34 of Cracker : The Cracker Culture in Florida History by Dana Ste. Claire, [978-0-8130-3028-9], published by University Press of Florida, it states, "Early on in America, the term came to represent a host of undesirable characteristics---dishonest, shiftless, and insipid to name a few. Whatever 'cracker' may have originally implied, the term was well worn by the time [Florida] cowhunters began to herd their cattle through the Florida wilds in the early 1800s."


 * Previous pages of that chapter, beginning on page 27, offer numerous, alternative origins for the term cracker, reaching back to 1509. Under a section titled Whip Cracker, the author writes, "Florida Crackers nowadays spend a great deal of time trying to persuade themselves and others that the term cracker originated from the sound of whips cracking over cattle..." That section ends with "Cowhunter historian Joyce Peters offers an interesting insight on the luxury of owning whips.... 'Those poor people (Crackers) had no leather for shoes, much less cow whips, which promoters are using to explain the term cracker." Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 15:13, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Excellent point. A rewording (at the least) is in order. Your source looks solid. With the other uses of "cracker" included in Florida cracker, I'm trying to decide how to best approach it. Detailed discussion probably is best kept in the Florida cracker and Georgia cracker articles since this is the article about the horse breed. A less absolute statement is appropriate. I'll float, "The origin of the term cracker is unclear. One proposed origin is that it derived from whip cracker in reference to the cracking of whips used to drive cattle, but the term was in use before cattle drives started in the 1800s." I'm not happy with this wording. I don't feel it flows on its own within the paragraph (too much "crack" among other problems), but I hope you can see where I'm trying to go. BiologicalMe (talk) 16:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

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Country of Origin: FLORIDA, United States?
"Country of Origin" in the article's infobox ought to be simply "United States". Unlike the United Kingdom, whose large constituent regions (England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) retain the status of "countries", US States are simply "states" (although some American states are larger than the entire United Kingdom in area).

Since Florida isn't a country (West Florida was a republic for 74 days in 1810) it can't be a "country of origin". This is common enough knowledge, it doesn't need a supporting citation and I'll fix it now under WP:BOLD. Hat tip to my wife, the horsey girl, for the catch. loupgarous (talk) 03:46, 23 December 2019 (UTC)