Talk:Fly Club/Archive 1

Final Club
Is there a good reason for me not to make this a redirect to Final club? -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 07:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Membership is for life.
Every undergraduate group of this ilk (Scroll and Key at Yale or University Cottage at Princeton, for example) is characterized by lifelong membership. Quit adding the fact to the entry, even if it is an inside joke; if so, add citation. 127W111 (talk) 17:46, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Phillips Brooks
The article listed


 * Phillips Brooks - clergyman and author, Bishop of Massachusetts

However, p. 14 says he was a member of Porcellian:


 * [H. H. Richardson] had been a member of several clubs, including the prestigious Porcellian; thus he needed no introduction to the rector, Phillips Brooks, or five of the eleven-man building committee&mdash;they were all fellow Porcellian members.

Presumably, if I understand how "final" clubs work, Brooks could not have been a member of both Fly and Porcellian. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Phillips Brooks
What you do not understand is that during that period there existed both 'waiting' clubs and 'final' clubs. At that point, one could belong to Fly and Porcellian, since Fly was still a 'waiting' club, called Alpha Delta Phi Club, and Porcellian was 'final.'


 * Could you provide a source citation for Phillips Brooks' membership in Fly, please? Dpbsmith (talk) 09:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC) In fact, source citations need to be provided for all of them. Dpbsmith (talk) 09:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced entries
I'm moving the following entries from "Notable Members" here, as no source citations have been provided. They can be reinserted into the article when they are accompanied by a verifiable source citation indicating that the person was a member of the Fly Club. I've looked for and add a couple of citations myself.

Per the verifiability policy which is linked below every edit box, 1. Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources. 2. Editors adding new material to an article should cite a reputable source, or it may be removed by any editor. 3. The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it.

In other words, the information about the person's membership must have been published; inside information or internal Fly Club documents won't do. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Abbott Lawrence Lowell - historian, 25th President of Harvard University
 * Prince Sadruddin Aga Khan - U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees
 * Jay Rockefeller - Former West Virginia Governor, United States Senator
 * Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. - justice of the Supreme Court of the United States
 * Albert Hamilton Gordon - Wall Street financier, philanthropist
 * Fred Gwynne - Hollywood actor:
 * Note: New York Times obituary and bio in Contemporary Authors Online, Gale, 2003 mention Lampoon, Hasty Pudding, and, after graduation, Brattle Theatre; Fly membership not mentioned.
 * Louis Kane - founder of Au Bon Pain food chain
 * Ralph Earle II, U.S. arms control negotiator.

Unsourced entries
Again, moving Fred Gwynne and Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. here, as well as


 * Aga Khan IV, Karim Aga Khan - 49th Imam of Shia Imani Ismali Muslims, descendant of the Prophet Muhammed"
 * Jared Kushner - Owner of the New York Observer
 * Vali Chandrasekaran - Prominent West Hollywood blogger
 * Lucien Carter - Venture Recreationalist