Talk:Folklore/Archive 1

Aborginal face painting
Does this inlcude Aborginal face painting? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.248.57 (talk) 10:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Ethnicity
I took a university class on Folklore....and we didn't define it as just ETHNIC. Instead, we defined it as any set of words, sayings, etc. endemic to a specific group (or something like that!). For example, "blood bank" language. Or to be more specific, language of traveling blood-bank employees. firepink

Rewrite?
Just adding a couple of cents: There are several definitions on folklore, and the process of defining folklore is at the heart of scientific folklore studies (folkloristics). The American folklorist Dan Ben-Amos defined folklore as an artistic expression shared by a group of two or more people. I find it to be a very useful start. Folklore is in my opinion the essential building blocks of our world view, it is our commonly excepted beliefs, phrases and even genres. Tabloids, and even more serious reporting, are folkloric. Personally I think the folklore page needs a rewrite, what is there isn't wrong, it's just very outdated and very incomplete. Perhaps I'll do it myself... later 

Rewrite in progress. What do you think about moving or changing that list? It makes the article appear very long, and I believe the information could be better utilized in the article.Trusso11 (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing folklore by motif
What is/are the common system(s) for categorizing folklore by motif? I've seen motif numbers such as E.320 and E.423.2.7 and H31416.1 in the book "Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark" by Alvin Schwartz, but I haven't been able to figure out what catalogue these numbers refer to. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


 * This would refer to the Motif Index of Folk Literature devised by Stith Thompson and expanded and developed by others working in different cultural areas. Antti Aarne is also a relevant figure in this field, who worked on the idea of tale types in folklore.  I'm putting up requests for these articles, and hopefully some folklorist with some free time will address them.  Bruxism 21:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Proposing a portal
On Portal/Proposals, I've proposed adding a portal for folklore. These articles really need some kind of overarching organisation and clarity as to their scope, to fix a number of problems. The focus on ethnicity and ancient mythological writings is not really consonant with a current understanding on what folklore compasses. Smerdis of Tlön 03:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Latvia
Latvian folklore songs total about 1.5 million, roughly one for every full Latvian alive today. Nowhere else in the world exists that sort of ratio, yet they are not mentioned once.

Are red links evil?
A non-inlogged user has removed all red links from the article (but leaving the terms, as black text). I'd like to hear a motivation for this. (Personally, I see red links as an encouragement to create the articles in question, and hence not as something evil to be removed.) --JoergenB 13:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No one seems to have a deviating opinion (and the anonymous user hasn't answered at User talk:216.68.185.13 either), whence I'll restore the red links now. --JoergenB 13:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

of course
of course this article doesn't cite its sources - even the writers of THIS article came from the mythical land of the Archipelago of The Philanthropic & Cloudriding. they were born 700,000 years ago, & came in an egg that a blackhole sent into our orbit & whose cracks bled & speckles cried. from the molten transport came a figurative figure named 216.114.101.149, who appeared on Earth riding a cloud, teleporting from the egg using his special powers, making what we must admit was a commanding appearance on the local scene. the categories were changed, suggested on, & minorly corrected for typos, & all was well in the land of folklore, as well as it could be for being an article that supposedly, accordingly to legend, does not cite it's source. but that is why i am writing now: i say they are part of culture now, the sources, whether they existed or not. (j/k) 24.177.102.71 09:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Addition to history of folklore studies
This article does not mention the long history of more or less scientific folklore studies in Finland. Depending on how you feel about Elias Lönnrot and his contemporaries, at least the historical-geographic method of folklore studies pioneered by Julius and Kaarle Krohn was also internationally extremely important in its own time. It's my understanding that it was the first scientific method of folklore studies, and in fact the method of such studies in the early 20th century. Finnish folklore studies have since been internationally eclipsed by the Russians and Americans, but I think at least the historical-geographical tradition (also called the Finnish method) deserves mention.

-R2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.184.161.226 (talk) 10:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Folktale should not redirect here!
Folktales are only one kind of traditional narrative studied by folklorists. Folklorists distinguish folktales from both legends and myths, which have their own separate articles. Folktale should have a separate article too. --Phatius McBluff (talk) 18:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I am surprised that Folktale redirects here too - in fact that's why I came to the talk page, to see if anyone else had commented on this. It really is a very important subcategory of Folklore.--Annielogue (talk) 13:51, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Herder
This article mischaracterizes Herder by implying that he was the founder of Romantic Nationalism, yet according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of philosophy:

"Concerning international politics, Herder has often been classified as a “nationalist” or (perhaps even worse) a “German nationalist.” Some other philosophers from the period deserve such a slur (e.g. Fichte). But where Herder is concerned it is deeply misleading and unjust. On the contrary, his fundamental position in international politics is a committed cosmopolitanism, an impartial concern for all human beings. This is a large part of the force of his ideal of “humanity.” Hence, for example, in the Letters he approvingly quotes Fénelon's remark, “I love my family more than myself; more than my family my fatherland; more than my fatherland humankind.” Moreover, unlike Kant's cosmopolitanism, Herder's is genuine. Kant's cosmopolitanism is vitiated by a set of empirically ignorant and morally inexcusable prejudices that he harbors — in particular, racism, antisemitism, and misogyny. By contrast, Herder's is entirely free of these prejudices, which he indeed works tirelessly to combat."

"Herder does indeed also insist on respecting, preserving, and advancing national groupings. However, this is entirely unalarming, for the following reasons: (1) For Herder, this is emphatically something that must be done for all national groupings equally (not just or especially Germany!). (He memorably insists that there must be no Favoritvolk.) (2) The “nation” in question is not racial but linguistic and cultural (in the Ideas and elsewhere Herder indeed rejects the very concept of race)"

Herder also rejected the militaristic nation state. He felt that folklore can reflect people at their best, while militaristic national narratives do not, according to the same article. It is very unfortunate that this wiki entry is so deeply misleading about the origins of folklore studies. Like many enlightenment thinkers, such as Montesquieu, Herder advocated loose confederations of small republics.Mballen (talk) 01:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

archives missing
I wanted to see if a topic had already been discussed, but apparently nothing had ever been discussed. A glance at the Talk page's History makes that doubtful. It looks like no one has ever archived past topics (or sections). Wikipedia has a page about creating archives, and that practice should be adopted for this article, too. Most topics should be archived once no longer current; or they can stay on the current talk page, unless the talk page gets too large, and then they can be archived. Then we can search and avoid being redundant. Thanks. Nick Levinson (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

scholarly corroboration of folklore
My understanding is that folklore can provide clues to history, medicine, and other areas of scholarship that can be verified, in part, through archaeology, biology, and so on, but I don't have any sources handy or for which I recall titles. If anyone does, please add a section to the article about scholarly confirmation.

We could do the same for disconfirmation, but there's plenty on that in many places, usually in the form of debunking based on a lack of scientific evidence, which is a weaker standard than positive evidence.

Thanks. Nick Levinson (talk) 01:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC) omg is that me or — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.78.205 (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2011 (UTC) If you erase this, you are against Wikipedia: WIKIPEDIA IS AWESOME!!!!!!98.85.110.210 (talk) 02:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Trolls Article - Consensus and Contributors needed
IMHO, the Troll article could use some extra contributors to expand the article and some help on a few issues that require the consensus of more than a few people. I am one contributor, though I am still learning a lot at this point, and although I'm a great researcher and not completely new to "trolls", I don't have access to the same resources that some of you in this wikiproject might. We also have one well versed wikipedian in on the conversation, though it would be nice to have a larger consensus. Anyone up for contributing to the noble art of studying Trolls? =) --Bema Self (talk) 13:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

No discussion of African folklore?
I noticed that this article contains no information at all about African folklore - this is a very surprising omission. Jarble (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Modern folkore
I removed the section on modern folklore since it contained only primary sources and lacked sources to support the claim that the authors are attempting to create a modern folklore or that the works constitute a modern folklore. Joja lozzo  21:48, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

WorldCat Genres
Maximilianklein (talk) 23:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Consolidation and re-organization needed for the topic Folklore
I think it would be best to combine the 2 articles "Folklore" and "Folk culture" under the single topic "Folklore". To that end I will consolidate the contents into a single article and re-post sometime this week, when I get it done. Once that is completed, someone will need to remove the page on "Folk Culture" and re-direct that topic to the "Folklore" page. I do not know how to do this; it needs to be done by someone above my pay grade.

The next major issue is to consolidate a list of all the wiki pages on the folklore of different regions and cultural groups on a separate page, perhaps a Category page or a Disambiguation page. This topic of "Folklore" should be limited to defining what folklore is, both as a subject matter and as a field of study (i.e. Folkloristics). It could then reference the list of pages on regional folklore.

This page does need a re-org and re-write, but I think to start with the 2 points above would be a good beginning. Comments and other thoughts are most welcome Smithriedel 18:39, 8 May 2016 (UTC)smithriedelSmithriedel 18:39, 8 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithriedel (talk • contribs)

Afrikaans folklore
Good day. I am new to being a "creator" on Wikipedia and thus I am still struggling to juggle the commenta regards my article that I recently loaded, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore which is based on research that I did on Afrikaans folklore.
 * I have already changed my article in that I have tried to omit the fact that I tried to argument - thus being reflective. I have also added hyperlinks to other Wikipedia articles.
 * I was not aware of the article on folklore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folklore), my research has not included Wikipedia articles, as it is (was) not considered to be scientific literature for publication in accredited scientifi journals ...
 * Now I feel very unscientific for not being aware of this other article on Wikipedia.
 * Yet, I am glad to see that Nick Levinson asked about the ommission of African folklore in the above mentioned article (5 November 2012). This makes a strong point for the existence and validity of my article, as Afrikaans is considered to be African.
 * What I will do is to look more closely for the overlaps and try to omit it in my article - rather just make links to this - which I will call the main article about folklore.
 * I gladly will receive comments.
 * Estelleke13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Estelleke13 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

The drawback of "The English culture"
I here write down my comment. The Dutch language and others know the word "sage". It is not known in the English language. This appears to be a very influential "black hole". Enjoy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.129.136.48 (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

I know now that in English the word "saga" is used. Alright. I'll learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.129.136.48 (talk) 19:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

the flags at the top need to be reviewed, perhaps removed
This is not a section of philosophy, it is in the realm of Folklore, that is the correct portal. Most of the talk items have been reviewed by me and I consider them handled in the revised article. I have a graduate degree in Folklore and followed the organization of the most widely used textbooks in organizing the materials. Smithriedel 22:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Ongoing Effort to Cleanup Wikipedia's Coverage of Folklore Articles
Please see this write up regarding ongoing efforts to cleanup Wikipedia's coverage of folklore-related articles. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

New WikiProject: WikiProject Folklore
Please note that Wikipedia now has a WikiProject focused on improving the site's coverage of folklore and folklore studies, WP:Folklore. Interested editors are invited to participate. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 16:27, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Folklore for deletion
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