Talk:Follow Me up to Carlow

Number of English
The Article states that 800 English soldier were "defeated", but the English army was actually 3,000 Strong, 800 were killed, so I'm editing it to 3,000.--Hibernian 09:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Song Link
Oy folks, the current song link to an apparently unlicensed (no license is listed) live-concert recording on Youtube is a muddy, almost non-understandable mess in recording terms...I fault not the band, it was clearly an amateur camcorder recording. It's also at a rather non-traditional tempo and in a very modern guitar style.

I attempted to edit this to a longstanding Youtube recording of the Planxty version (as the article states, this is commonly viewed as the definitive version) which includes lyrics as well as a variety of period and near-period illustrations. It was botcorrected due to being a youtube link, with an advisory that I raise the issue on the discussion page.

Youtube recognizes recordings of a song with video added to it as 'a different intellectual property' than the audio recording only. This is absolutely nitpicking, but they've been able to make it stand more often than not. That said, the link I have suggested ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=uggbzBtGbJw ) is of no less dubious province then the current link, is at least clearly understandable and is a version mentioned in the existing article.

I did look about to see if I could find a live recording posted by the band doing the playing but didn't spot any.

What do people think? Understandable Planxty, or *mumblemumblemumble* high-speed modern version? Zjonni 09:58, 5 June 2008 16:57 (UTC)


 * So what's the issue? It's not with Youtube as a whole or neither would be acceptable. I guess the Planxty version (the music) in under copyright while the live band isn't? If that's the case, then we probably can't have the Planxty version under current policy, though I'm not sure if the other is allowed either. I'm not really up on the specific policy in regards to Youtube; there a bunch of crap I don't really bother with, and external links to other media is one of them. If the Planxty is unacceptable then that's that. I don't know if the other better legally, though it is inferior musically. R. fiend (talk) 17:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Who is FitzWilliam?
Other than O'byrne, he's mentioned more than anyone else, but no mention of him in this article or any of the related articles. Anyone have any ideas? Naznarreb (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * There was a captain Bernard Fitzwilliam amongst the vanguard of the british forces during the battle; he was killed during the fighting. There was also a Thomas Fitzwilliam, who was a constable at Wicklow castle, who was supposedly a long-time enemy of the O'Byrnes. 83.109.72.15 (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, Arthur Grey the 14th Baron Grey de Wilton (who led the English force), was known as "Fitzwilliam" as he was the son of Baron William Grey. He would have been a main target for the Irish. Another point that bothers me....Rory Og O'More mentioned in the song was captured and beheaded by the English in 1578 and so could not have taken part in the Battle of Glenmalure in 1580. Perhaps this may have been an oversight by the original writers of the words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ggaylmer (talk • contribs) 20:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Apparently it was yet another Fitzwilliam, William Fitzwilliam, the Lord Deputy of Ireland. See this explanation: http://www.irishmusicdaily.com/follow-me-up-to-carlow-story-explained

Perhaps the reference to Rory Og O'More means his ghost was waiting for the British as they were killed, to escort them? Madgenberyl (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Controversial?
While it is note worthy to mention that it is one of the more vivid songs in describing the Irish history, I would hardly call it controversial. I suggest removing the section and merging the details into the main description of the song —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.94.246.153 (talk) 16:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)