Talk:Food vs. fuel

Food vs fuel, meat production and overpopulation
What isn't mentioned here is that the whole issue of biofuel production blocking food production (as there just isn't enough land any more to do both) is actually (in part) caused by overpopulation. If population levels would be reduced to levels the planet can sustain (which is about 3x less than the population existing today), the food vs fuel issue wouldn't even exist. Still, I find no reference even of overpopulation in this whole article.

The same goes for Meat production. This too isn't mentioned yet the fact that grains, ... first need to be grown to then feed animals makes for a very inefficient food system, and if this would be avoided, more arable land would again become available to both feed people, and generate biofuels.

Can someone change the article to include this ? KVDP (talk) 13:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Natural gas and the Haber-Bosch process
I'm reading a book called Kochland: The Secret History of Corporate Power in America, and it says around page 200 that Koch Industries used its enormous power in the American fossil fuel industry to make ethanol and nitrogen fertilisers in the nineties. Can we assume that the fossil fuel industry benefits either way from the framing of this debate?

This debate may have been manufactured to keep electric cars and trains out of the American national consciousness. 2603:7000:D03A:5895:F170:1242:C5B4:BAFA (talk) 18:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)