Talk:Foodborne illness

CJD / BSE
The article states "Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease, transmitted usually by eating beef from animals with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, mad cow disease)" This is just plain wrong. Read the wikipedia article on CJD, then provide a reference for this statement.

82.152.155.58 (talk) 20:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree and I deleted the entry. If someone disagrees please revert and provide reference. Tolle (talk) 15:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

i do not agree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.153.213.115 (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Statistics
Can someone provide a source for the statistics cited? Especially the number of cases of foodborn in the US and other countries. This information is sufficiently at variance to the claims of the US and UK governments - "safest food supply in the world" - that it ought to be a scandal if true.

--Diderot 18:45, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Concerning the US, the source is cited twice inside the page:
 * http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs237/en/
 * concerning the UK and FR, this is the french sources
 * http://www.invs.sante.fr/publications/2004/inf_origine_alimentaire/grilleLecture.pdf page 3
 * http://www.invs.sante.fr/publications/2004/inf_origine_alimentaire/inf_origine_alimentaire.pdf page 21
 * Cdang 09:40, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Conversely, can Diderot (or anyone else) cite evidence for his ascertion that the UK Govt claims the "safest food supply in the world"? A quick google search for the term came up with scores of references to the US claim - but I couldn't find a single claim along these lines for UK food, whether made by UK Govt or indeed anyone else.


 * Can someone please put the statistics in context? Why would the US have proportionately so many more cases of food poisoning than other developed countries like France?  Are French health standards that much higher, or was the data gathered in a different way? Theshibboleth 02:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Cursory glancing at the statistics shows the US CDC site includes all food-borne illnesses. 9.4 million is reported to occur from 31 known pathogens, and 38.4 million from "unspecified agents" which probably includes everything that could possibly make you sick, from allergens to mercury poisoning.  The French statistics state that they are solely reporting on 23 known pathogens.  This already reduces the French number by ~80% compared to the US statistics.  On top of that, the numbers shown in the charts for the French site don't correlate at all with the study linked to.  Also, the French study specifically states that they only include reported cases, while the US and UK numbers are an estimate of the total population.  For all these reasons, the French study cannot be directly compared to the US or UK studies, and I suspect the US and UK studies cannot be compared as well due to entirely different methodologies.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.82.217.173 (talk) 02:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The problem would seem to be reporting. The US has such good reporting that I have discovered entire statistical summaries on the web (for several subjects) that use US statistics for the US and THIRD PARTY SOURCES for everyone else.24.10.102.46 05:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

--The United States numbers should not be compared to any others -- According to the World Health Organization "Because routine surveillance systems vary widely between diseases and between countries, the collected information presented here does not allow numerical comparison of data on foodborne disease between countries and diseases ...A higher number of reported cases can be the result of a well performing surveillance system and not necessarily that people are more often sick from contaminated food." --Chrispknight 02:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[[

"It is difficult to estimate the global incidence of foodbourne disease, but it has been reported that in the year 2000 about 2.1 million people died from diarrhoeal diseases." Who reported it?

Listeria
To my humble knowledge, Listeria does not itself cause illness, but rather its waste product does. I understand this is a pretty typical way for bacteria to cause illness, but in the case of Listeria it's waste causes the illness by getting into the food, not by being present in the body after infection by Listeria. The waste also does not break down in the presence of acids or heat, making normal tidy methods useless. 88.155.171.247 13:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Food Standards Agency (UK politics)
The article states: "There remain questions, however, over the nature of any agency funded by a government which has not an insignificant say in staffing." What precisely does this mean? It seems to me to be a thinly disguised political attack (and therefore POV statement) over the independence of the agency, but I could be misinterpreting it. JulesH 20:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Confused
This article seems a bit confused. The lead-in mentions prions and parasites, and the next section launches right into symptoms that have nothing to do with prions or parasites.

Doctored statistics?
> There are every year about 76 million foodborne illnesses in the United States (26,000 cases for 100,000 inhabitants)

This sounds bogus. Does anybody seriously think 1 in 4 yankee have a shitting attack due to food poisoning every year? Impossible, that would be too bad even for third world countries! Plus you must consider HACCP food safety was invented in the USA forty years ago! Is Wikipedia hosting doctored propaganda numbers?


 * Actually, when you think about it, foodborne illness on that scale is relatively possible, but keep in mind that foodborne illness not only covers the large stuff like hepatitis and botulism, it also covers smaller things, like the attacks you referred to above. HACCP is a good start, but it doesn't take into consideration each and every small thing that can happen in the industry like physical contamination, biological contamination, cross-contamination, temperature abuse, so on and so forth.  In general, you could get foodborne illness from your own kitchen, unless you follow HACCP on every single grocery item that you receive, and I highly doubt anyone, even professionals in the industry, does that.  CQJ 17:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In retrospect, perhaps the statistic needs a source quotation and clarification on those lines. CQJ 02:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the definitive article is still the 1999 "Food-Related Illness and Death in the United States" by Paul S. Mead, Laurence Slutsker, Vance Dietz, Linda F. McCaig, Joseph S. Bresee, Craig Shapiro, Patricia M. Griffin, and Robert V. Tauxe, although there may be be more recent articles of which I am unaware.


 * That is insanely ridiculous. 1 in 4 people every year in the US gets food poisoning? If three people in a town get food poisoning the CDC shows up and starts shutting down restaurants and grocery stores until they figure out the source. I'm not speaking of serious cases either, but of ones where the person went to a family doctor, which people do for colds in the US. 88.155.171.247 13:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Center for Disease Control says so themselves. Did you even read the article, and understand what foodborne illness is? From their website: "An estimated 76 million cases of foodborne disease occur each year in the United States. The great majority of these cases are mild and cause symptoms for only a day or two. Some cases are more serious, and CDC estimates that there are 325,000 hospitalizations and 5,000 deaths related to foodborne diseases each year."  Since when does every American go to the doctor if they have an upset stomach for a day? Ridiculous assertions here. Peoplesunionpro 17:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Gasterenteritis
Is gasterenteritis anything to do with food poisoning? Does it need a seperate article of its own or the search for it re-directed to this one - Foodborne illness? TurboForce 00:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Gastroenteritis is a generic term describing inflammation or infection of the gastro-intestinal tract. Gastroenteritis can be foodborne but isn't always. Foodborne illnesses can cause gastroenteritis but not all foodborne illnesses cause gastroenteritis. An example of the latter is Strep throat, which in adults who do are not exposed to young children, is frequently foodborne.

"food poisoning" as a technical term
The first paragraph of the article alludes to "true food poisoning" but I am a bit perplexed by the concept. Is there a medical term "food poisoning"? Is there a medical term "food-borne illness"? Webster's says that "food poisoning" is: "an acute gastrointestinal disorder caused by bacteria or their toxic products or by chemical residues in food." The Columbia desk encyclopedia completely agrees with this definition. Other encyclopedias will include poisonous foods, such as certain mushrooms and also will include viruses and protozoa. Lurking beneath this there seems to be some important technical line of demarcation. Even if the "poison" part of "food poisoning" were the defining point here (as opposed to infection), isn't it the toxins (poisons created by organisms) created by bacteria which cause the havoc in, say, cases of botulism? If so, then botulism would have to be considered a "true food poisoning," if I understand you correctly. I think this needs a bit of clarification. Thanks. NaySay 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Clarification certainly is needed. It is possible to ingest a poison derived from an infectious agent, without ingesting the infectious agent.  This article is rather a mess, in part because much of  its content pertains to gastroenteritis and is not specific to foodborne illness.  Gastroenteritis and several related pages are being worked on right now.  NaySay, would you care to join us? --Una Smith (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The (limited) training I had distinguished foodborne disease, toxic food-poisoning and infective food-poisoning; the latter two being the result of toxins produced in the food and toxins produced in the gut respectively. Foodborne was limited to diseases with other effects

Infection by multiple pathogenic agents
According the the present article "symptoms begin several hours to several days after consumption". I am reading Fast Food Nation and one of its chapters is dedicated to pathogens such as E.Coli, aeromonas, etc and all the of the people who suffered the attack of those bacteria seem to have shown symptoms a couple of hours after eating infected food. I've been wondering about one thing, though: what if the person actually ingests not just one type of pathon, but two or more? Has this ever happened before? Does it have any bearing on how fast the symptoms show up? -- Toldet (talk) 22:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It does make some difference, as some infections can cause the body to be unable to react correctly. The main sequence with bacterial infection is the multiplication of the bacteria, which is heightened by the ideal temperature of the body, so it is not going to matter much as after 4 to 6 hours vomiting normally removes a lot of the affected food, and after 24 hours the rest is passed. However if there were bacterial infection and an amoebic infection, the bacterial would reduce the effectiveness of resistance in the gut and stomach and may well allow the organisms to enter the stomach lining more quickly from where they would quickly pass into the bloodstream and then the organs.Amoebic dysentery is a major cause of these types of problem so if coupled with Escherichia coli it would be much more virulent.
 * --Chaosdruid (talk) 15:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge
Food poisoning should be merged into this article. The merge proposal is being discussed on the food poisioning talk page. I have corrected the merge tag. Rlsheehan (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Rlsheehan (talk) 21:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

food borne illness
All of your food borne illness pages (i.e salmonella, bottulism, shingles, etc.) say that they belong to the Kingdom 'Bacteria.' In the Kingdom of living things there is no Kingdom 'Bacteria.' The 6 Kingdoms are Anamalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, 'Eubacteria,' and 'Archaebacteria.' Please fix this. Thank you.

food borne illness
All of your food borne illness pages (i.e salmonella, bottulism, shingles, etc.) say that they belong to the Kingdom 'Bacteria.' In the Kingdom of living things there is no Kingdom 'Bacteria.' The 6 Kingdoms are Anamalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, 'Eubacteria,' and 'Archaebacteria.' Please fix this. Thank you. 174.116.206.90 (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Bacteria - Most Common foodborne illness The most common bacteria pathogens are listed and the first one states that campylobacter can cause Buillain-Barre syndrome "Campylobacter jejuni which can lead to secondary Guillain-Barré syndrome and periodontitis[5]" I can't find anything in Medline that discusses Campylobacteriosis causing Gullain-Barre Syndrome and the National Institute of Nerological disorders states that the cause is unknown but that the disease is preceded by bacterial or viral infections. Adamschwerin (talk) 03:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Food Poison Journal
I propose an external link to Food Poison Journal, associated with Marler Clark. -- Wavelength (talk) 18:52, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Since this is a blog run by a law firm that does foodborne illness cases, I would be opposed to it being added as an external link. I think the same information is available from media sources, CDC, etc. who have no financial interest in the topic. Look through WP:EL and see if you can find a rationale that would allow this link, but I think it's just too commercial. I think it would be a little like shyster lawyers being listed as ELs in the Traffic collision article (OK, not quite that bad, but to give you an idea of my objections). Bob98133 (talk) 20:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Prevention of Foodborne Illness = out-of-scope?
The Prevention section should be moved to the Food Safety article with a pointer in this article explaining that proper observance of food safety principles will (theoretically) prevent all cases of foodborne illness. Would this be a true statement? Microbiojen (talk) 17:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

See also link: How To Treat Food Poisoning at Home November 6, 2010
I don`t know if anyone took the time to read that article but it is trash and was obviously not produced by a reliable source. Looks like it was translated from another language with google translate..

Here are just a few things I found out of place: "If you break out inside a rash" "The most common signs or symptoms of foods poisoning signs" "The simplest way to stop meals poisoning is always to wash all your meals thoroughly" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.248.91 (talk) 01:15, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I am removing it as it is not up to standard for wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.248.91 (talk) 01:08, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

The Refrigerator Picture
The one showing all the problems in yellow text. Is it a mockup for demonstration purposes or a real picture? 74.128.56.194 (talk) 05:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Please discuss symptoms
In the current version of the article I don't think there is discussion of symptoms, especially nausea and vomiting. Is it known what mechanism causes the symptoms? Recently I had bad stomach pain + nausea, but no diarrea (or gas). Can I infer anything about what agent attacked me? It'd be great if this article could discuss symptoms. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HaroldHelson (talk • contribs) 18:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Citations needed
Most of this article doesn't link to its references plus there is at least one place where, rather than adding the reference link, the reference is inserted in the body of text in parenthesis -- just the title of the source, no publication data. I agree that it needs rewriting. Risssa (talk) 02:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Freely-accessible sources?
I'm hesitant to use the following source from a university lecture: NONINFLAMMATORY GASTROENTERITIS - FOOD POISONING. However, it has some good information which I'm not seeing in the articles I'm looking at. II | (t - c) 02:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Being able to be transmitted by other means
I moved the following section to here, because the point seems to be that pathogens behind foodborne illness may be spread by other means of transmission as well. For reinsertion, I think it needs to be more balanced with those other means and not only mention direct contact. Mikael Häggström (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Help request at Talk:Vibrio related to Foodborne illness, "Ptomaine poisoning" section
I just edited the ptomaine section. I ended up putting a help request at Talk:Vibrio with part of it relating to that section. Sorry that this is so short and the Vibrio post is so long. TIA, --Geekdiva (talk) 01:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

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Spoiled Soda
I just recently vomited last night from drinking a can of Sprite for dinner. Here are some important detail I'd like to point out in my unpleasant experience. --Arima (talk) 03:06, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * My stomach had a delayed reaction to the spoiled Sprite and it took about an hour before I started having symptoms of nausea and frequent swallowing from increased salivation.
 * The canned Sprite was practically untouched from last year.
 * The canned Sprite was kept out at room temperature for too long.
 * The canned Sprite had no carbonation whatsoever upon opening.
 * The canned Sprite is two months away from reaching its Expiration Date.
 * The canned Sprite was unaffected by refrigeration which may have been the reason why it didn't start reacting adversely upon entering my stomach.

obsolete?
"ptomaine" for food poisoning is indeed less common than it used to be, but i don't think one can say "obsolete" yet. a certain %age of ppl -- seniors, mainly -- are still using it as their default term. "i got ptomaine at that buffet last week" etc. may be medically inaccurate, but the usage persists.

unlike, say, "consumption", a term which actually HAS gone obsolete (AFAIK). 209.172.23.222 (talk) 07:09, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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